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This guy got death penalty with reprieve, which means he almost certainly wont die https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202602/28/WS69a2e9f2a310d6866eb3adfd.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_sentence_with_reprieve
Makes sense, I hate how everyone conveniently cuts out the “with reprieve” part while reporting on sentences in China, it’s just fearmongering.
its not always reprieved though. they do carry it out in some cases. there are conditions to getting the commutation.
It’s better this way. “Behave or else” is better than a blanket death penalty which has many problems.
cringe. this guy should be fed to wolves on live tv
What did the wolves do to deserve the responsibility of getting rid of this guy?
I propose the humble woodchipper
13,5 tons of gold
Heartbreaking
But, but, laws are only supposed to apply to the poor. This is authoritarianism!
Guy was sitting on a literal dragon’s hoard
what the damn kind of metric is “23 tons of cash”
The highest denomination is 100 yuan, about $17. There are stories of aunties who had literal whole apartments stacked floor to ceiling with boxes of banknotes from running(for example) an aluminum recycling business in the reform and opening up days. A staple of “China foreigner” photos used to be flashing a big gangster roll of five figures of yuan which wasn’t really that much, a few thousand bucks but sure looked like it. China invented paper money and they’ll be the first to eliminate it. Alipay and Wechat are payments for everything now. It’s getting harder and harder to use cash. People will take it but sometimes can’t give change except if they transfer it to you on your phone. It’s eliminated pickpockets though.
it was all in 1-mao coins
1 fen coins. They had those way back when. light as a feather and 1/100 of a yuan. One mao is1/10. I still have some left from my coin jar, trying to use them up buying bread in the next few weeks.
i think i got those as change by accident years ago (but still long after they were discontinued). feels like plastic or aluminium.
the 1-mao and 5-mao notes are still around and pretty beautiful too
One of my goals was to go to every location on every bill and get my photo taken, holding the bill.
I got the 100 in Beijing and the 1 in Hangzhou westlake but never the others. Maybe I will still, even though cash is 98% obsolete by now.Is it the 5 or 10 that has Yangshuo? I got that one
I tried and failed a couple of times (personal reasons) to go to Huangshan (which iirc is the 5 or 10 that Yangshuo isn’t)
Does a ton of ones weigh the same as a ton of hundreds?
If it’s yuan, yes, if it’s pound, no
Smdh my head if you don’t know, you don’t know
Meanwhile in the US, the state is attempting to sentence the warehouse arsonist with 20 years for destruction of property.
The Haikou mayor
Embezzled billions
His sentence was deathIf this was Reddit, there would be an annoying Bot that would point out that this is a Haiku.
But it’s Lemmy, so you just get me, and I’m even more annoying that the Bot.
Since the beginning
American politics
Only helps the rich
5-5-5?
It works if you say Embezzl-ED billIiiiiiions
I added a 4 to the 6 to make it 7.
Unfortunately Chinese justice system tends to commute these to life sentences after a couple years. Same in Vietnam. Is the tactic to scare these scumbags or something?
I assume the point is to get them to cooperate and force them into a “no seriously stop doing shit, don’t try to keep wielding power or doing more crimes, sit down, shut up, and do your time” position without the consequences of actually just executing them. Like in practical terms what’s the difference between “they’re sitting in a cell and can’t keep being the ringleader of something or trading favors or whatever because if they do that’s it for them” and “they’re actually gone forever, but someone had to do it to them”? In the latter case you’ve made someone deal with killing them, and you also have no further stick to force them to not fight back as hard as they can before that point with every connection or hidden asset they may have.
I volunteer as tribute
They’re essentially death sentences if the sentenced doesn’t comply. They do get carried out, but not all the time.
Ah ok
not always, and if you don’t learn your lesson after commuting, i don’t think you get another commutation
I mean, did they fix the systemic problems that allowed this to happen in the first place? Are these death sentences actually carried out? Still a mile better than Amerikkkan “justice” but too much of this reeks of an attempt to placate rather than actually fix anything.
Those are good questions, but I don’t think this “reeks of an attempt to placate” either.
The systemic problem is the existence of the market. That cannot be fixed so easily.
You are right, however i’m not convinced that it explains the entirety of it.
Don’t be vague, be specific. What exactly do you think is causing it?
You can have it both ways, it could be a systemic element that can, at some point be solved or reduced, and/or it could be an endemic element of some aspect of human society writ large that can never be solved, only the symptoms treated.
Either way the key is, which do you think takes precedence? Why do you think that? Could it be that you may have been brought up in the most corrupt society of all time, and therefore literally cannot imagine a society that works for more than just the benefit of the owner class?
Oh, I’m really regretting running my mouth now, fair warning, I’m pretty terrible at disputation, but I’ll do my best.
Don’t be vague, be specific. What exactly do you think is causing it?
Hierarchical authority, particularly with a strong top-down dynamic. This level of graft is quite impressive, it’s very hard to believe that this was ever fully concealed from his superiors, and particularly from his underlings. Why is it then, that those above him did not see fit to stop him, and why were those below not able to stop it in the near twenty years before the 2019 investigation? We can reach any number of conclusions, most of them probably wrong, as the CCP has been opaque in this matter as is their right. Yet it’s clear that his position of power within the CCP is what enabled him (at least in part) to steal so much.
You can have it both ways, it could be a systemic element that can, at some point be solved or reduced, and/or it could be an endemic element of some aspect of human society writ large that can never be solved, only the symptoms treated.
That systems of hierarchy lead to abuse isn’t a new observation, I’d argue it’s axiomatic. Are systems of hierarchy a necessity to human society? No, I do not think so, or more specifically, I don’t believe that such top down systems are. So in short, yes it’s the system, that humans make such a system is true, that humans must make such a system is not. Also, yes, it can be ameliorated, I applaud any effort to do so, just as I applaud the CCP for tackling this monster. That may have not come through in my post, but I hope you can forgive me a small amount of cynicism here.
which do you think takes precedence? Why do you think that?
Put simply, I don’t believe that simply destroying the basal relations of production is going to automatically correct super-structural issues in society. It’s my belief that superstructures can exist independent of the base, often conflict with the base, and often are the contradictions that can lead to social revolution.
Could it be that you may have been brought up in the most corrupt society of all time, and therefore literally cannot imagine a society that works for more than just the benefit of the owner class?
I wanna address this sentence, because it felt a little mean spirited, or at least overly indulging in a rhetorical cheap kick. It’s possible I’m being overly sensitive here, I frequently am, but this kinda feels like your accusing me of being a crypto-lib or something. I promise you, I’m not, and beyond a pretty milquetoast “be better” criticism of the CCP, I don’t know what I’ve said that would lead you to make such an accusation.
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Something on the order of $100 per city resident per year. That seems like a conspicuous fraction of a municipal budget.
Hainan is the Hawaii of China. well that’s Sanya but Haikou is the capital.
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In Hangzhou way back in the day there was a 1:1 replica of the White House in Americaland. Including the Oval Office and the infamous “blowjob nook”. It had a cardboard cutout of Bill Clinton behind the Resolute Desk and oh, the jokes everyone made. I have photos of it somewhere in my untagged collection of gigabytes of China photos. It had been closed and turned into a school by then but you could still come in and see it.
the floor was straight up buckling under the gold dude was a dragon
How much is a ton of cash worth
I’m not sure exactly but it’s gotta be worth a ton
depends on the currency and the bills/coins you’re using
Yep, we’ve got to start punishing political corruption as harshly as mass murder, because it truly has that potential.
Criminals are choosing to operate in the political arena because they can steal more, get away with it easier, and if they do get caught, the punishments are nearly non-existent. The only way to chase them out of government is to make it such a hostile environment for crime that it’s just easier to ply their trade elsewhere.
Steal millions from the people, and you get the death penalty. Do that a few times, and it will discourage future dipshits pretty effectively.
State sponsored violence, as well as every other function of the state, is always a way to mitigate class antagonisms
The state’s role is not to “mitigate” or “settle disputes” or “act as referree” between classes, that’s only a fiction that liberals believe about their governments. Its to act in the interest of one class against the other.
The PRC is a worker’s state, which is why they harshly punish these execs found to be committing financial crimes.
And Mob Violence is a way to address our extreme grievances with our corrupt government.
“Mob violence” completely misses the point imo. I wouldn’t condemn it, since it is an authentic expression of popular anger against systems that threaten people’s lives. Also I’m very in favor of people organizing for their own defense. But that is just one teensy part of what is needed. By the time we are organized enough to cause major trouble, like, capable of withstanding countless assaults on some field of battle, and growing to the point that a municipal police force couldn’t handle us, we would be so organized and militant that committing violence wouldnt be necessary, and would actually hinder our ability to be effective at reaching the most people.
Look at the anti ICE movements in Chicago, Charlotte, NC, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Portland, etc., we saw riots on the news but in the streets there was, and still is, deep organization; each iteration actually gets less violent and more effective, all of these movements not just coordinating with each other, but launching extensive training programs to provide the services and defense that the people in those communities who are most affected by fascist violence, actually need.
So sure, maybe a little mob violence as a treat, after all its the cops who are going to start it anyway. I just think if we want a more just world, then we have to have a higher standard of justice than the current rulers.
I’m not suggesting we are anywhere near applying Mob Violence, but we have to know, and especially THEY have to know, that it’s a genuine potential option, although as a worst case scenario option.
What’s more likely to happen with these SlaughterBots is that some 12 year old hacker(z) will get into the programming in about 15 minutes, and turn them all back on their masters.
I am so plugged in to advancements in drone warfare. Theres some really scary shit going down in Ukraine, for example, a drone that can monitor a huge area and take out vehicles from kilometers away. But also stories like a young Ukrainian “hacker” who figured out how to fire nets out of a shotgun for cheap, disabling airborne drones reliably from the ground. Sounds like a kick ass weekend project tbh
That story is such crap. Both sides have been using netting against drones since things really got underway. Firing nets from a cannon will not help you when there is a double tap. High up, difficult to see, netting emplacements are the only real way to mitigate drones (when used with fiber optics cables, otherwise signal scrambling works extremely well). It’s why the war is such a grind.
how many tons to a fuck-ton? It’ll help with conversion math
A fuck load of tons
who’s going to be in the government if they do that
Ideally people who understand that it’s wrong to steal and hoard billions worth of resources from their communities, it’s a pretty low bar tbf
So low. Practically floor level. Somehow US politicians just keep tripping over it, though.
Dedicated party cadres. Corruption isn’t the end of governance, just like you need to dust and clean every once in a while you need to stay vigilant against it and remove corrupt officials when found.
