They want trans genocide, they aren’t even trying to hide it anymore
And every person who gives Rowling money or watches her show outside the high seas is directly complicit
Trans genocide is when I can’t go to exclusive female place.
I get the womens rights angle but cis women have it pretty easy compared to trans women (and trans men).
Demanding an ‘exclusive female place’ is entitled and basically the cisfemale equivalent of white privilege. Especially when unisex facilities have existed for decades without incidence.
Pls tell me u aren’t serious or real
I get the womens rights angle but cis women have it pretty easy compared to trans women (and trans men).
Pls tell me how ? How is it fair by exemple for women to have to compete against biological men in their field when they are de facto disadvantaged agains them ?
Demanding an ‘exclusive female place’ is entitled and basically the cisfemale equivalent of white privilege.
LMAO give me one white privilege and one woman privilege always amased how trans activist are misogynistic than incels
Especially when unisex facilities have existed for decades without incidence.
That s a lie. Every time a protected women space got open to trans women, biological women were abused
Look I’m not going to waste a Sunday arguing with a horrible little troll bigot. Have a nice day 😅
u do you
Don be surprised when ppl think different from you if you can’t even answer simple question.
have a nice day
The genocide usually comes after the normalization of exclusion, and forcing them to out themselves, and arresting them if they don’t.
After that stuff, it’s armbands, and then “Take a train ride to this new work camp!”
We’re moving in that direction. That’s why we’re saying that word.
People thought the worries about Trump were overblown too, and look how that worked out. He bribed the Supreme Court into giving him immunity from the law. He’s turning the White House into a bunker. He started a war with a country with 90 million people. He started a trade war with every democratic country on earth. He lost the biggest oil shipping lane in the world. He can’t get it back without using nukes. The Epstein files are still more than half unreleased. Not a single man has been prosecuted for any crimes because of them. There is no plan to release the rest of the files. More victims have been named than perpetrators. This regime doesn’t JUST protect rich pedophiles and fraudsters, it also gives them pardons. Meanwhile he’s destroying our relationships with every free country on earth and giving favors to dictatorships. He openly glazes and admires places whose governments regularly brutalize innocent civilians.
If he just came out and told you straight up he’s a dictator and he won’t give up power and he wants to turn America into a dictatorship where rich people own and control everything and everyone else is literal slaves…
You’d say he was joking. Or that it was AI. Or that it was some kind of tactic to influence or manipulate one of our enemies. Or… whatever.
Your disregard for potential harm leads to him. It leads to people like him preying on your prideful ignorance and childish impatience, and using it to convince you to betray everything of value until you become an evil person without realizing it.
Just… stop. Look at a news source that they don’t want you to… for once. Ask your friends about what you found in it. See how they respond. See how you’ve become.
…
You are overflowing stuff so much that u make legitimate critics towards trump woch they are a lot seem unjustified.
He’s turning the White House into a bunker
how many shot fired near the white house recently ?
He started a trade war with every democratic country on earth
Famous democratic country like china yeah
He can’t get it back without using nukes
Yeah totally not overblow like analyse ty ty
The Epstein files are still more than half unreleased
Released more that the precedent admin. But totally agree on it should be more but i can t help to notice it wasnt an issue before he became president a second time.
Meanwhile he’s destroying our relationships with every free country on earth and giving favors to dictatorships
… as an european u never were a good allie. U always worked toward your interest. Trump didnt change anything regarding that.
Just… stop. Look at a news source that they don’t want you to… for once. Ask your friends about what you found in it. See how they respond. See how you’ve become.
Yeah shit are bad. But look at what you did and became that for the majority of the country he seem the reasonable solution. He win that election in a landslide. Your refusal to take accountability or to take into account any criticism put him in power.
Like that subject trans genocide are you serisous fr rn ? Cite me one law that discriminate trans that isnt based on factual scientific evidence ? A trans women will always be biologicaly a men and that s something 80% of the pop agree.
If you are a real person and not a propaganda bot, you sure do act a lot like a propaganda bot.
I think you need to put down the Fox News and Joe Rogan experience. You’ve had too much already lol
Lol I dont watch listen to any of these. But nice prpograming to believe ppl that hold the majority opinion must listen on a news chanel and a podcaster. Simply those nothing else. If we delete these tomorrow no ppl will ever hold thoses opinions
Why are you trying to get into female-exclusive places?
Cause I indentify as a female
How is this trans genocide? I’m genuinely wondering how wanting to keep toilets separated by biological sex is genocidal.
they are trying to create a legal context in which being transgender and doing normal things in the world is a crime and then they force trans people into the wrong prison where they can forcibly detransition trans people knowing that this will kill them 🫡
in america they have designated anyone “pro transgender” a terrorist and kansas, ohio, tennessee, texas, and indiana have or are creating trans registries of all the trans people
It’s how it begins. Chip away until you can annihilate them
This isn’t trans genocide, but progressively making it impossible for trans people to exist hints at intolerance for their general existence
progressively making it impossible for trans people to exist
Never thought I’d ask this but… how do I determine the gender of my toilet? And how do I confirm it’s cis-gendered?
Toilet have a cloaca as long as they haven’t been neutered. To check the gender, slip your arm up the P-trap and feel for the glands. You’ll know what a dick feels like.
Most domesticated toilets are neutered at birth to prevent overpopulation and damage to the local sewage ecosystems.
You ask it nicely
Bzzt, wrong! You gotta barge into the stall and demand to see its equipment, outing yourself as a creep.
It’s like you didn’t even study for the fascist test, honestly.
Didn’t even know I was taking the fascist test. In that case I’d say barge in and pull the toilet’s pants down to check.
There’s a simple solution to this that I’ve seen some bars in my city do. Make all the cubicles and urinals gender-neutral and mark them as such.
This seems like the obvious solution. An area for stand-up wees. An area for sit-down wees and poos. Everyone can wash their hands together in an open area.
No need to bring gender into expelling waste. Wouldn’t be surprised to find modern toilets were invented by the Victorians so men wouldn’t have to find out that women also shit.
women also shit.
THEY WHAT?
I’m a woman. I can confirm it’s true
You should be ashamed of yourself madam
We fart too 💨
Fuck, I’ll inform the press
As far as I can tell the UK is the only country in the whole of Europe following America down this specific insane moral and political rabbit-hole.
It’s like they tried to get into the XXI century, failed and decided to go back to their time of greatness, the Victorian Era.
They do have a prominent billionaire who is bribing anyone to take up her anti-trans positions.
You’re a TERF, Harry
Following? Make no mistake, TERF island has been pioneering this. The American Right has been funding TERF groups there as a test bed. It’s spilling over into the former territories like NZ too - a few days ago the coalition government there voted through a first reading of a „definition of man and woman“ bill (bills go through three readings before becoming law)
ah yes the rest of Europe is super tolerant against trans people. LOL. Russia has a laws that forbids gender reassignment surgery. And they have a law that bans LGBTQ “propaganda” basically write or film something positive or even neutral information about the LGBTQ will get you in jail. Hungary and Poland haven’t been very friendly against queers in the last decade. Almost every right wing party in Europe has some beef with trans people.
Hungary and Poland both just emerged from their very own far-right populist period.
Meanwhile Britain supposedly did too and then elected a supposedly “center” - “left” government and instead of it getting better this shit just got worse. Oh, and the Brexiter Tories were apparently not Right-wing enough for a large fraction of the population so Reform UK rose.
Even the “left” in Britain are nutters compared to all of Western, Northern and Southern Europe.
I’ll give you Russia, thought - it is indeed comparable to Britain in terms of having 19th century morals.
Why do gendered toilets exist anymore? It’s the 21st century and we don’t need them.
Did we ever need them?
It’s because of this people think girls don’t poop lol
No, we never needed gendered restrooms. IIRC it was established out of an abundance of caution when women started entering the general workforce in WWI. Men were concerned that women may need a place to rest away from men at work. It turns out women are fine and just need a stall to shit equal to everyone else.
In ww1 the men’s toilets consisted of a long urinal and a stall at the end to shit in. Society at the time thought it wasn’t appropriate for women to walk past a load of men with their dicks out to get to the one facility they could use.
Times are different now, though.
Its laughable when unisex toilets have existed for as long as they have.
Because peeing and defecating are kinda private activities. One involves the anus, the other involves genitalia. I mean I’m sure a woman wouldn’t want to go into a restroom and see guys with their dicks out peeing in urinals?
Guys don’t want to see that either. That’s why urinal etiquette exists.
Why the fuck do these perverts care so much about what people do in a bathroom? How fucking weird
A female colleague proclaims often loudly how disgusting she finds it to see a male colleague leave the unisex toilet at the office. I’ve asked her if those men are leaving a mess or what specifically was disgusting, and she says she just finds it gross that a man uses the same toilet.
I feel that the segregation is too engrained into our generation to move away from separated toilets. Honestly it’s a miracle we no longer have segregated toilets by skin color in the South.
People really do need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century
Endless love to all trans people I’ve got your back ❤️ 💙 💜 💖 💗
I thought that toilets were a primarily a public health concern. If they are not provided then unfortunate things start happening in secluded corners.
Isn’t that the goal here? Exclude people from toilets. They have to pee elsewhere. Arrest them for public urination or “indecent exposure”. Maybe put them on some kind of sex offender list like the Americans are doing for people caught urinating in public. Spread fear about “trans sex offenders”.
I’m sure you are right. There is a lot of weirdness around this. No one argues that gay people can’t use toilets (at least not yet). Picking on trans people is really pretty much that, misplaced prejudice.
That sounds eerily plausible 😥
There is a solution to all of this. Unitary WCs. Each has one toilet, one sink, at least one method for drying hands and at least one sanitary disposal for non-flushable items. Mirror optional. A toilet brush might also be a good idea.
Communal rooms should go the way of the dinosaur.
That way, anyone, regardless of persuasion, intent or comfort level, can use a toilet in peace. And if they want to invite someone else in for safety, so be it.
All the problems with this solution are excuses, and usually not very good ones.
I believe that communal bathrooms are cheaper to build and maintain, hence we still have them, not because anyone enjoys using them.
That’s what he said:
excuses, and usually not very good ones.
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internet accounts are they unless otherwise specified
i see, does make sense here
it still is good practice
especially that often “he” is used without consideration
Especially on Lemmy, where the users seem to fall into one of two stereotypes: ultra-nerdy dudes, and trans/NB people.
Hell, over at !unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone, they may even fit both groups.
trans/NB people
nonbinary people do fall under the trans umbrella
unless they are intersex in a particular way that they regard their nonbinary gender identity as matching what they were assigned
Philosophical question. In a jurisdiction that allows for full government recognition of someone not being either male or female, and if someone was “assigned NB at birth” then remains NB into adulthood… sounds like they wouldn’t meet the technical definition of trans.
This comment isn’t about taking anything away from anyone, it’s about a tiny little thought experiment.
why would government recognition affect whether theyre trans
but yes, intersex people can be cis enbies
Thankfully, there’s an even better, easier, cheaper, and just solution to this as well
Negate the ruling and allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom that is congruent with their gender identity
better
just
it is neither of these
its way better than bathroom bans but defintely not better than unitary wcs
it divides us, is heteronormative, and still excludes some trans people (those for whose identity there is no bathroom for (nonbinary people))
unitary wcs eliminate creeps entirely, segregation provides a flimsy superficial defense against some of them
IOW, MYOB.
International Olympic washroom, misunderstood yelling ouch bowel
More frequently it’s individual toilets and shared sinks.
Yes. The few times I’ve run into this has been great. I think people who are used to stalls initially feel weird when they hear about it but the toilets in this setup are enclosed with floor to ceiling walls and a door. It’s so much more pleasant.
Communal rooms should go the way of the dinosaur.
obliterated by high velocity rocks?
evolved with the times into various forms perfectly adapted to whatever their niche may be.
just like pigeons, owls, crocodiles, finches, etc.
Maybe also a urinal in each? Too many times have I accidentally sat on stray drips from people unwilling to put up a toilet seat in unisex bathrooms.
I’m leaning towards no. If you’re sat on the toilet in a small WC room, that urinal is going to be nearby and very close to face height. Also urinals are only really usable by half the population.
Sanitary wipes might be a better plan. Even better if they can be made reusable, but that could be too much to hope for what with the need for yet another bin, and the propensity for confused people to put things in the wrong one.
Students already get up to mischief in the shared bathrooms at my college library. Sometimes their “intent” runs contrary to the mission of the college–taking illegal drugs, setting off the fire alarm, making a giant mess with toilet paper everywhere.
A minor lack of privacy (private stalls, shared sinks) can help prevent bigger issues. If someone has a medical emergency (OD, for example) there’s a chance someone notices.
The problem with that is not the students, or the layout, communal or otherwise, but the unwillingness of the institution to pay a toilet attendant.
We’re in a budget crunch. Last I checked there was an unwillingness to pay for more than 1 custodian. The restrooms get dire.
The attendant doesn’t have to be a custodian. The member of staff with the office closest to each bathroom is now responsible for at least checking that bathroom once an hour. It’s a budget crunch. Everyone has to do their part!
And if that doesn’t fix the budget crunch within a week or two, the bathrooms are now being checked.
You’re devoting at least 15% of the library sysadmin’s time to bathroom monitoring (the bathrooms are a long walk from the offices) assuming the bathrooms are empty each hour. You’re also requiring them to knock on each locked bathroom door and get a response (currently you can check for people passed out by glancing at feet under stall doors). There’s also the overhead of figuring out who is on bathroom duty when the sysadmin is out sick or working from home.
The budget crunch is at the state level, the library itself has very little ability to change it. We’ve already reduced subscriptions and services and staff to a skeleton crew.
Tough times require tough measures. Either you find what the students do in there acceptable or you don’t. If you don’t, someone needs to check, and if not that sysadmin, then it’s going to have to be someone even further away.
One alternative would be to have the restrooms be locked and to be unlocked on request. How key management works with that I leave open.
This would be ideal if there was a suite of unitary WCs, because one key per room per person.
Not ideal in the case of emergencies, I grant you, but then, you don’t want to be using a filthy restroom in an emergency either, so I guess go the whole way into that and put a chemical toilet somewhere outside nearby. OR the old outhouse with hole in the ground if you can’t stretch to that.
This is going to make it so difficult to plan out businesses and buildings that everyone will end up with gender neutral bathrooms and spaces. It’s my dream that all those lobby groups who think they’re protecting women will have to shit next to every man, woman, femboy, adult baby, theydy, them, zem, furry and otherkin in the UK.
No, there’s already rules in place from the previous government which says that all new builds and buildings euch are changing their use must have separate, sex-segregated toilets, unless the building is physically too small for anything other than a single room with a single toilet and sink. You can have gender-neutral toilets as well but not instead
From the article:
“The law here is a mess, and clearly many businesses will just go gender neutral to avoid the headache,
Extant businesses may. Your post mentioned planning out businesses and buildings. If there’s space for single-sex toilets then under current legislation it would be illegal not to have them. You can thank the Tories for that. Badenoch even explicitly said that it was done to target trans people, although obviously not in quite those words
I don’t know what you’re arguing with. Planning doesn’t create new space and resources from thin air.
Que?
guardian says these rules allow only providing universal toilets “where there is insufficient space” for separate facilities
Yes, exactly
I’m having an argument with idiots here in Australia trying to protect women. No joke, most of them are toxic blokes who are trying to be masculine.
I’m a male but even posting that climbing gyms are running womxn nights for years without issue and it’s a non issue is causing some of them to go nuts
All of this is solved with just using more single occupancy bathrooms. Just an open hallway with rooms and toilets and changing stations. Sinks in the hallway.
Not allowed. I’ll copy from another post:
No, there’s already rules in place from the previous government which says that all new builds and buildings euch are changing their use must have separate, sex-segregated toilets, unless the building is physically too small for anything other than a single room with a single toilet and sink. You can have gender-neutral toilets as well but not instead
If only laws could be changed
So make the toilets as outlined above, but on the last two doors in the row mark one male and one female.
Yeah. The minority of loud stupid/paid people who care about this really are the ones who should be inconvenienced. If you want a gendered bathroom then there’s an outbuilding you can use. It’s on one plot so technically we’re still within code.
That’s stupid
That’s anti-trans bigotry for you
All single toilets are sex-segregated if you enter alone and close the door.
Your sex is on one side of the door, all other sexes are on the other.
The issue only happens when you attempt to write a sign that predicts the sex, or if more people has to take a shit together in the same room.
As the law stands at the moment, if you’re building a new non-domestic building or changing the function of an existing building and you have three toilets, each of which is a single room containing one individual toilet and a sink and which can be locked from the inside, then cannot all be accessible to everybody. One must be exclusively for women and one for men. And, as per the new guidence, which one someone can use is solely to be determined by what gender they were assigned at birth
Yes, it’s incredibly stupid, but that’s what the law currently says
This is not a bad consequence, better for all of us, even if the trigger is fear and spite
As a parent of two, this is best for the kids they claim to worry about. It makes potty training much less stressful
single sex toilets must be forever prohibited from existing, says actual equality and human rights
Why?
Just have a bunch of single stalls and sinks. Why do we need gendered bathrooms?
I’m there to take a shit. I don’t care if a woman is washing her hands.
Not necessarily in the defense of single sex toilets, but I imagine not all men are gentle, and women (maybe even anyone else) would choose not to get peeked at from above by a nasty weirdo. I know, I know, not like only one gender could do it, but if I had to find a reason why one would want to have single sex toilets, this would be the reason that makes the most sense to me.
Or, you know, people being religious fanatics stuck in the 18th century, but who would be like that in 2026? /s
That’s just a consequence of shitty bathroom design. In civilized places, bathroom stalls have actual walls and doors that go to the floor and ceiling.
That’s totally true. I just thought of the possibility because I grew up where not every toilet was civilised.
Eeeh, first one may not be that removed from actual risk. If we assume 1/10 of population is perverted, then cutting out hetero folks from perving on opposite sex is cutting that 1/10 to 1/100. So the chance some perv will actually go for it is lower. And this is a bigger issue for women than men, so makes sense to be watching out for that.
In USA that is, in EU we have full size stall doors and walls :|
People don’t just wash hands in a bathroom sink. They wash their face, groom themselves, admire themselves, apply makeup, etc.
Also, why waste space with stalls, when you can use urinals instead? I don’t want to wait outside a stall to take a piss.
The first thing you named everyone does so it doesnt need to be private.
The second thing is a urinal takes up a stall space so just have more stalls.
After being to places that do this, I can tell you it works fine.
I don’t want to mog myself in the mirror in front of women.
Also, urinals absolutely don’t take up as much space as stalls.
You can’t check how you look in the mirror in front of other people? Why, what difference would it make what gender they are, that’s kind of weird.
Nobody is watching you, you can grow up and deal with it.
Yes the space savings is based on only requiring one room vs two. And even in a one room scenerio the loss isn’t that much, about 1 urinal space for ever 14 stalls. Not to mention that there never is one room empty the other waiting scenerio.
Again, I was just in a facility that does this. These rooms are easy, convenient, and safe because the sink areaks open to the hall. It works great.
Do you regularly admire your looks in front of women?
Ok, then don’t do that.
Nah… mogging myself in the mirror is the peak of my day
Stalls are not as efficient space, material, or queue wise compared to urinals. For those with penises and the need to pee, urinals are just better. It would be stupid to remove these.
Not really no. Because you are now requiring two seperate bathrooms. Urinals dont really save any space, you cannot share it. So one row of lets say 12 stalls floor to ceiling are just as efficient. Only one common area open to the hall way, only one plumbing row (same a a urinal) and only one bathroom.
This system is more effective and just works.
Also, you add as many areas like this as the building requires.
Do you have a urinal at home?
Urinals can be packed far more tightly than stalls, so no they are not just as efficient. Urinals are also optimal for high traffic/volume scenarios, so having one at home is not necessary.
I don’t want to wait outside a stall to take a piss.
You would not survive womanhood
I absolutely would not.
Limited gender washrooms < “Shitter”
Like come on this is not that hard, everybody poops.
There are many different forms of sex people can have in public toilets and so restricting them to just one kind wouldn’t be equal.
Lmaooo… Best reply to my comment fr
Yeah! Justice for straight people! No longer shall we be forced to excuse ourselves in restaurants only to shamefully walk into the opposite gender bathroom to have sneaky restaurant sex with our partners! We want a bathroom where both men and women can walk in with their heads held high and then do unmentionable things to each other while their friends are waiting for desert to arrive!
More anti-trans bullshit. I don’t understand the darkness one must possess to come up with these legal machinations.
So, a bathroom ban for the entire UK?
Did you guys see the US speed running a regression arc and decide to try your hand at it?
Pretty much. I think we’re owned by the same media conglomerate as you guys, so it’ll be the same playbook
