cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49935130
Bye
You crazies won and proved me wrong. The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.
Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg. All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance’s top admin. This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world, and while I won’t give you the personal satisfaction of having won, you’ve definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.
Even people around here I’d interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves. That completely shattered any and all illusions I had that this place has a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage, rage baiting, propaganda, harassment, rumor mongering, trolls, conspiracies, purity testing, and violent rhetoric.
Like many of the rational people before me who called this place home, I’m done with this place.
I tried to carve out a space where those people and other rougher edges were not drowning out niche communities and hobbies and where people who choose to use the platform to harass others were also out of sight, out of mind. Apparently only three people who aren’t me actually want a place that’s not just a circle-jerk of rage and hate. Thus sayeth the mob.
Then you have entire instances whose admins call for the death of others, harass other users, and lead harassment, brigading, and DARVO campaigns against those who dare call out their bullshit or decide to disassociate themselves and their work from them.
Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named’s admins were calling for the death of LW’s admins while spreading rumours and labeling others in such a way that painted them as targets for murder. All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they ‘caught’ and should be killed.
.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.
“We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it.” they probably said.
Bullshit.
I’m one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse. If I can stand up for what’s right and deal with the blowback, so can you.
Fuck lemmy world’s admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.
Nah, fuck this whole place. I’ve let too many things fall by the wayside IRL because of dealing with all this fediverse bullshit and trying to give it the slightest bit of polish both visually and atmospherically. Mythbusters may have proven that you can, in fact, polish a turd, but at the end of the day, it’s still a shiny ball of shit.
For the few people left who didn’t turn out to be psychotic, I’ll think of you from time to time when recalling something you’ve posted or commented that genuinely made me laugh, made me think, or otherwise put a smile on my face or in my heart.
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.
P.S. Rimu, you owe me a beer. No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you’re welcome.
EDIT: forgot to add:
EDIT2:
Removed the link to the original message because the douche included a Javascript on the page to DDOS Dbzero0
I said it before and I’ll say it again, this bozo wanted to use his software to become the lemmy equivalent of the reddit admins by enforcing what he wants from the top down via the software level.
This was destined to fail the moment it was noticed by anyone because the very reason people left reddit was because they became unhappy with the way admin decisions go against what mods wanted. It was the clash between moderators wanting to run their communities the way they wanted and admins wanting to go against that fundamentally fuelling the desire for people to operate communities independently.
The exact moment that you try to re-establish anything above the “moderator” level equivalent of reddit (which is the Lemmy owner on Lemmy) you will get an insane amount of pushback from lemmy.
Hence the reaction to attack the ones who found it are continue to look into it. Same as piefed where only ones who were smart enough to look at the code was the dev
these fuckin nerds think that they’re some heroic main character when in reality they are just some fuckin nerd who is taking some silly website too seriously
What an epic tantrum, the stuff of fediverse lore. He got totally cooked by db0.
He managed to unite Lemmy’s moderate left and hard left in thinking he’s a complete spunk rag. That’s no easy feat.
its funny all db0 did was just make a post that pointed out the existence of the secret blacklist, and that was enough to make him have a tantrum and permanently quit lemmy for the 3rd time
“permanently quit lemmy for the 3rd time” belongs next to “preemptively defederated as a last resort” in the annals of lemmy liberal nonsense.
haaah that’s true!
yo this guy doesnt made their software hostile to us so I forked it
HOW DARE YOU
It’s of immense irony that it was me that ended up achieving left unity 😁
I knew you had it in you
Fren :3
Hopefully from now on all the pointless left wing infighting can finally end
It’d be nice. There’s definitely room for ideological struggle, as is important, but practical alliance against imperialism should be something we can all agree to fight together.
Of course, my point is that ideological struggle should strengthen each other rather than push each other down
Sure!
Were nerds and are disagreements are based off of actual tangable things so probbably not but its funny while it lasts.
They can administer bandages from behind the tanks.
I’ve even seen db0’s post outside of Lemmy.
Wouldn’t even know this was happening if it wasn’t for our wonderful guest farmers from across the fediverse delivering us hex-hogs the most delicious and freshest slop
anything to keep the hexcubs wellfed with the best fedirverse slop
I don’t even bother bringing it, if it’s juicy someone’s already brought it, lol
i don’t even know who you are
Angry hu-man briefly attracting amused attention of cosmic tankie entity
to db0 for continuing to be the flashpoint of the reactionary elements on lemmy. First feddit.org, the piefed, now this guy. Judge 'em by their enemies as people like to say.Credit due where credit’s due.
I salute you back :3
That completely shattered any and all illusions I had that this place has a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage, rage baiting, propaganda, harassment, rumor mongering, trolls, conspiracies, purity testing, and violent rhetoric.
The “purity testing” was racism and queerphobia. This fucking white boy was trying to shadowban queer subs in particular. The “death threats” was shit like “Death to zionists and transphobes.”
I doubt people were in his DMs sending threats but they should have been.
Of course he was white.
All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies
“We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it.” they probably said.
anyway free palestine
This may sound sarcastic so apologies in advance but I am glad that there are HBs who are following this drama so I don’t have to and can continue to make bean and fart jokes without needing to care
Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg
i usually believe people if they say this but this time i don’t believe him
That was my gut reaction too. Death threats? Really?
does inviting people to commit suicide count as a death threat? according to twitter owner elon musk it does
This might be the largest Lemmy drama that doesn’t revolve around Hexbear (or grad or .ml either obv), at least that I’ve heard of. Finally, it’s been enough time after the reddit influx for the instances that blew up to actually develop some identity! Looking forward to more drama to ensue! (I was on r/SubredditDrama before I got put on to r/cth, and it’s more fun being an observer than right at the center of the drama)
Too bad it doesn’t really do much to shift the needle away from us being enemy #1 in the short term.
Actually: are we still enemy #1? I haven’t really engaged with other instances recently, but maybe someone who does can give us local-only posters an update on where that stands.
Oh there was the huge drama involving piefed, the lemmy.world admins and someone faking evidence of nazi infiltration all revolving around dbzer0 that was bigger than this I’d say, like it was an intense two weeks of shit-flinging from the liberals towards dbzer0. I’m sorry to say but Hexbear isn’t really on the peoples mind anymore.
we’re washed and chopped. we hit unc/auntie status 😔
You may not like it but this is what peak hexbear looks like
hexbear-grad-ml troika is still in general the bad guy to lemmylibs but dbzero and the flotilla have quickly risen to be close to our infamy. they have had 2 big ones with no mention of hexbear, first is their drama with the germans at feddit over zionism https://hexbear.net/post/7704331 and then the admin death threats with world https://hexbear.net/post/8311088
Acting like a user name that says “death to all Zionists” is an actionable threat is so funny to me. It’s both a huge self report AND extremely whiney. Honestly we’re all just a bunch of stinky nerds who need to get out more, the only thing I’m a threat to is crappy fast food and my own bank balance
‘Death to all <thing that someone can change>’ is consistently framed as being identical to ‘Death to all <thing that someone cannot change>’.
Especially when the thing that you can change is being a Fascist who wants to kill people for what they are.
Death to all people with green eyes <> Death to all people who want to exterminate people with green eyes
The thing is, no area is immune. I saw a modlog entry the other day (I think on .ml, and it was from a while back) where a mod had pulled down a meme where someone’d shopped a box of antibacterial wipes to say something like “effective against 99.9% of Zionists”, with a note that “saying something will destroy 99.9% of $demonym isn’t funny no matter what the $demonym” and… Motherfucker you wouldn’t say that if the “$demonym” was KKK members or Nazis, would you? (The stupid keyword bullshit stuck with me, it was, explicitly, “$demonym”) Zionism isn’t fucking better in its intentions than either and has probably achieved just as much harm in the world as the KKK! It’s explicitly genocidal. If it read “99.9% effective against people who want to exterminate Gazans”, even that you would likely accept… But that is functionally a synonym for “Zionist”. Clearly just conflating “Zionist” with “jew” and that’s such a disgusting antisemitic (and even more so Islamophobic) trope.
Liberal Zionism makes me extra angry because it’s so fucking weaselly. Death to all Zionists!
That’s the brainworm. Being Jewish is something you are born with. Being Zionist is something learned and acquired later on.
When you start conflating those things, you end up doing the Nazi propaganda for them. The whole crux of Nazi propaganda against the “other” is <ethnic group> == <social group>.
When Zionists do this, they are explicitly forcing all people of Jewish ethnicity into their social group, and positioning that group as enemies of mankind.
It’s absolutely disgusting. Of course this analysis is incredibly case by case, but it’s a good litmus test to determine the root sentiment of someone’s statement. Can their statement be simplified from dismissal of a group to support of another group? Is that support valid?
Death to all <ethnic group> is atomic. It cannot be simplified without unpacking the raw ideological positions of the speaker. They may be propagandized and actually conflate <ethnic group> with <social group> (e.g. Jews with Landlords or something), which is still very bad, but it now reveals an pathway to defusing them. If they push back, then you know that the conflation they were presenting to you was actually a smokescreen for bigotry.
When you push back on someone who says “Death to Zonists/Zionism” you very quickly arrive at support for the Gazan resistance and autonomy.
The whole crux of Nazi propaganda against the “other” is <ethnic group> == <social group>.
This is such an interesting observation, thanks!
If we get this into an image macro format of some kind and pass it around, it’ll really do a dent. I think your phrasing is solid here.
dbzero and the flotilla have quickly risen to be close to our infamy
Good for them, you love to see hard work and dedication be rewarded
Scratch a liberal
Most Lemmy folk know little about Hexbear other than the repeated mythology crafted by a small cadre of people who have also never actually interacted with us.
Of course, same as it was back on reddit, still counts though
Are we not the “instance-that-will-not-be-named”?
I thought we were too, but apparently. I just assumed it was hexbear, but sounds like if was anarchist nexus.
Nah nobody here gives a shit about Tessaract so I knew it wasn’t us this time. Weird feeling, right?
Yeah, I’m used to hexbear always being the ultimate boogeyman of the Lemmy lib
Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named’s admins were calling for the death of LW’s admins while spreading rumours and labeling others in such a way that painted them as targets for murder. All of that, mind you, with absoultey no evidence other than specuation and their own cooked-up conspiracies about modlog actions or taking and twisting things wildly out of context to fit their made-up narratives so they had someone to say they ‘caught’ and should be killed.
.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.
Literally the spiderman pointing at spiderman meme. I love how absurd their fixation with us is given that we control over 80% of the mod/admin accounts on Lemmy.world.
I know he hated Hexbear too, but I think where he said “.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating [sic] themselves from that psychotic shit show,” he’s specifically referring to when one of Anarchist Nexus’s admins had “Death to Zionists” in their display name and .world publicly threatened to defederate from us 😆
I hate princess and the pea syndrome, fascists are the whiniest little fucks despite getting their way 90% of the time
Didn’t they have to stop being an admin after that because of the stink lw and piefed made?
Yeah
is given that we control over 80% of the mod/admin accounts on Lemmy.world.
Protocols of the learned moderators of mount Hexbear
Protocols of the learned moderators of mount Hexbear
Liberal Mountain. Get it right.
Hey don’t dox me
I’m gonna pop my head out of the overturned T34 I live in just long enough to salute our anarchist kin.
Got a white savior over here
Lemmy.World was so close to doing the right thing after instance-that-will-not-be named’s admins were calling for the death of LW’s admins
Look at the trajectory of this incident he’s talking about! It goes from:
anarchist.nexus Admin has a display name that includes ‘Death to Zionists’ in it.
Lemmy.world Admin conflates ‘Zionist’ with ‘Jew’ and claims anarchist.nexus supports genocide of jews as a result.
This buthurt dingus then claims that anarchist.nexus admin’s were collectively calling for the death of lemmy.world admins spicifically.What incredible leaps and bounds of logic!
Lemmy.world Admin conflates ‘Zionist’ with ‘Jew’ and claims anarchist.nexus supports genocide of jews as a result.
Actually it was because that mod banned that l.w. admin from one of their comms for “zionism”.
Oh that’s right. I guess that constitutes a “death threat” these days.
i will die if i can’t post
