These protests do work. And is suspected to be largely behind why a fair fraction of the population care about climate change. And working class people will be pressed into cleaning up the mess of direct action too, so I don’t understand the argument there.
Fucking up rich people’s pretty shit is a perfectly valid, if somewhat toothless, response. Yes, direct action is better, but is also more heavily violently cracked down on, the mass movement needed to make it viable isn’t there.
I wasn’t really talking about the scientific measurement of heatwaves and floods and winters without snow, though. I was more speaking to the phenomenal experience of climate change. We’re all living through and suffering the physical effects every day.
I already know and agree with what you’ve said here. I would happily concede that both of our positions lack good evidence for a wide, systematic effect.
I can only share my experience which is proof that, at least in my tiny part of the world, these protests have worked. You’re very welcome to have anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I was just sharing my own and I’m unsure why I’m getting logic’d for it. I think perhaps you’re inferring a much larger claim from my words than I was trying to make.
These protests do work. And is suspected to be largely behind why a fair fraction of the population care about climate change. And working class people will be pressed into cleaning up the mess of direct action too, so I don’t understand the argument there.
Fucking up rich people’s pretty shit is a perfectly valid, if somewhat toothless, response. Yes, direct action is better, but is also more heavily violently cracked down on, the mass movement needed to make it viable isn’t there.
I think the heatwaves and floods and winters without snow are why a fair fraction of the population cares about climate change.
I know a couple people who outspoken about climate change for scientific or observable reasons.
But I know more who are outspoken because they’re polarised against fuddy-duddy conservative anti-climate-protestor attitudes.
Fair.
I wasn’t really talking about the scientific measurement of heatwaves and floods and winters without snow, though. I was more speaking to the phenomenal experience of climate change. We’re all living through and suffering the physical effects every day.
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The claim does lack evidence, I agree! I’m only speaking anecdotally - But that’s a little more evidence than the claim that the protests don’t work.
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I already know and agree with what you’ve said here. I would happily concede that both of our positions lack good evidence for a wide, systematic effect.
I can only share my experience which is proof that, at least in my tiny part of the world, these protests have worked. You’re very welcome to have anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I was just sharing my own and I’m unsure why I’m getting logic’d for it. I think perhaps you’re inferring a much larger claim from my words than I was trying to make.