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Spectre@lemmy.ml to United States | News & Politics@lemmy.ml · 8 months ago

End Capitalism Before It Ends US

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Spectre@lemmy.ml to United States | News & Politics@lemmy.ml · 8 months ago
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    They do need to win an election to end capitalism, because they have no power unless they win.

    They can literally do absolutely nothing to accomplish their goal unless they win, but then since they mathematically can’t win either, all they can do is yell impotently into the void.

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      Which part of “revolution is necessary and electoralism is a sham” was difficult for you?

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        They aren’t running for a revolution, if they were, they wouldn’t be on the ballot for an election.

        It’s all performative nonsense.

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          I’ll just copy and paste my earlier explanation, hope it makes sense for you this time:

          Participation in bourgeois elections is to delegitimize the system (such as pointing out Dem/Rep collusion to kick them off the balot in Georgia), and advertise their platform.

          Marxists believe revolution is necessary and electoralism is a sham.

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            If they want a revolution, they would revolt.

            They aren’t. They’re running, poorly, in an election, where they will be 100% ineffectual and their message, if it’s heard at all, completely forgotten.

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              “Capitalism itself cannot be reformed. Its supreme law and driving force is the maximization of profit. The only force capable of putting an end to this criminal system is the organized working class. Capitalism cannot be voted out of power—it will take a revolution. The capitalist class will stop at nothing to prevent or overturn reforms by repressing, misdirecting or quelling any form of popular rebellion. Without a complete uprooting of the system that causes all the problems workers and oppressed peoples face, exploitation and oppression will still exist. The capitalist state will continue to rule. Capitalism is a failed system that, in its insatiable appetite for ever greater profits, threatens global ecological destruction on an unprecedented scale, with workers and oppressed people bearing the disproportionate burden of the environmental disaster. More than at any other time, it is the working class that holds the future for humanity. For the people and planet to live, capitalism must go. The Party for Socialism and Liberation is dedicated to building a revolutionary workers’ party in the United States. A party that can unite the multinational U.S. working class is an essential and irreplaceable element in the struggle for socialism.”

              Taken right from their very public PSL Party Platform online. You clearly are entirely unfamiliar with Marxism and PSL, why act like you know more than you do? I can make theory recommendations if you want, but don’t pretend to know what PSL’s goals and methods are without even reading the party platform, that’s silly.

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                What I’m saying is the Marxist statements are entirely irrelevant once they agreed to run in an election.

                They never grew up out of their Marxist phase in college, have no idea how any of this works, and it shows.

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                  What I’m saying is the Marxist statements are entirely irrelevant once they agreed to run in an election.

                  No. Lenin advocated participation in bourgeois elections for the reasons I gave, delegitimizing the electoral system and advertising strength and the platform.

                  They never grew up out of their Marxist phase in college, have no idea how any of this works, and it shows.

                  What is a “Marxist phase?” You have no idea what they are trying to do or why, and you make up in your mind palace contradictory positions they don’t hold because you haven’t read Marx.

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                    Marxist Phase - The typical college obsession before people actually grow up and realize it’s all nonsense.

                    See also: Randian phase.

                    Some people grow out of it, some don’t.

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