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Lauchs@lemmy.world to Political Memes@lemmy.world · 7 months ago

I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.

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I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.

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Lauchs@lemmy.world to Political Memes@lemmy.world · 7 months ago
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    I really don’t think so.

    • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
    • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
    • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
    • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
    • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
    • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
    • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
    • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
    • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
    • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
    • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

    .
    History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV

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      Cool. Now do Russia.

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        Unlike Ukraine, Russia doesn’t have an ~80 year long unbroken chain of Nazism. Fascist factions do exist, but they’re nothing like the scale in western Ukraine.

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          It’s funny how you Russian apologists have all these handy little chronologically sequenced copy-pasta lists of everyone else’s shortcomings, yet when your feet are held to the fire to explain the bullshit Russia does, you have nothing but excuses.

          It’s nearly as predictable as a Moscow window “suicide”.

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          Nonsense.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremist_nationalism_in_Russia

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            If you want to call a few fascist gusanos in exile from the Warsaw Pact for 70 years an “unbroken chain,” I can’t stop you.

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              You won’t be able to stop Putin from sending you to the front line when he runs low on soldiers🤣

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      I made a comment comparing the number of Nazis in Ukraine to other countries and you responded with a bunch of articles about Ukraine. Where are the comparisons that demonstrate I’m wrong?

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        Literal Nazis (rabid anti communist as populism) ruling Ukraine/a nation is the difference with ultra conservative racists that beat up minorities outside of a bar. Apart from the absurd “Zelensky or Trump’s daughter is jewish” and is incapable of having nazi allies or overlords, or “in a multi party election the official nazi party only got 2% of vote (low percentage just means voters strategically picked a candidate that had better chance of winning)” doesn’t change the US handpicked rulers/cabinet and other elected politicians passing the above linked nazi/apartheid laws in Ukraine.

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        You made made no actual comparisons, you simply stated it to be so. I can’t say that I have a handy chart of fascists-per-capita per country. But I do know that up until early 2022, Western corporate media wasn’t shy about how large and serious the fascist problem was in Ukraine in particular. And then they magically vanished, because it all suddenly became a very inconvenient truth.

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