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    Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote on X: “Gaza MUST BE FREE from Hamas. As @POTUS shared today, the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again. Our pursuit is one of lasting peace in the region for all people.”

    Ahmad, the spokesperson for the Abandon Harris campaign and a Palestinian activist, also said: “Despite the entire world being against them, Palestinians have proven that they will be victorious. They are returning to their homes and living among the rubble—people like that cannot be defeated. That is not a matter of opinion; it is a fact.”

    The level of cope is just so hard here.

    I bet this face must be extra tasty for the leopards.

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      “Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.

      “It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”

      I hope what’s happening to the Palestinian people never happens to you, but if it does I hope people don’t treat you the same when you beg for help for your friends and family who have spent their entire lives under occupation and multiple genocides.

      Hopefully someone doesn’t have to write a new poem, but it seems like humanity didn’t learn the lesson last time:

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

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        I hope I’m not ever stupid enough to pick a Republican that has pushed for Palestinians to be removed from Gaza, that told Israel to do what they had to do to end the war during the election, and talked about harsh punishments for pro-Palestinian protestors into office.

        One can be critical about the one side support from the Biden administration, which I absolutely was and still am, yet realize that there are worse people out there and not be so stupid as to let that evil into power.

        Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.

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          Look at the statistics, please. The margins were not “but for Palestinian Americans, Harris would have won”. You can scapegoat Palestinians all the way until it’s time to demand people vote Democrats because they’re holding themselves hostage again, but it’s not going to win them the votes they need to have a chance at winning. And in the meantime, while they’re whining about how raw the deal they got in the election, we’re watching them sit on their hands during Musk’s takeover.

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          Regardless of who won, the genocide was set to continue.

          The only leverage they had to get Biden to stop supporting a genocide was to threaten to withhold votes

          When Biden/Kamala refused to listen, some voters held their ground.

          Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.

          I held my nose and voted D like I always do.

          But I understand why others didn’t, and that a candidate who already agrees with their base has a better chance then one who the base disagrees with.

          So logically, we need to not keep trying to force a candidate on dem voters who is more conservative then Dem voters.

          If you want to yell at people who were chased away from the political process by Biden/Kamala’s policies…

          You’re going to have to go find them, they’re politically disengaged, they’re not going to be hanging out in political social media communities.

          You’re gonna have to leave the comfort of your couch and do it face to face, go get right up to them and taunt them about the generations of family who have been abused and killed.

          I won’t wait to hear back how it went, but I wish you the best of luck.

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            Oh, those people are absolutely here. I’ve had multiple arguments with them for the past week or so.

            They’re trying as hard as they can to justify letting fascism win. I guess it’s so they can sleep at night pretending their protest didn’t condemn millions to suffer and actively make the situation worse for the people they were protesting for.

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              You just replied to multiple of comments of mine across different threads in the span of minutes…

              Is this a coincidence thing or did I block your main account and you just noticed and desperately want to restart an old argument anywhere you can?

              I hate to ask, but unfortunately this wouldn’t be the first time.

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          Blaming the voters for the absense of an anti-genocide candidate seems really productive. Maybe if we keep re-litigating the election for the next four years the Democrats will run Hillary again. /s

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            Moderates:

            The problem with Republicans is their blind support of trump, they’ll always vote R!

            Also moderates, often in the same breath:

            The problem with Democrats is they want to hold politicians to a higher standard, instead of blindly voting D!

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              “Biden/Harris must stop what’s happening in Gaza! The status quo isnt acceptable at all, but at least advocacy and support groups will have the ability to continue lobbying the government under Harris. Under trump they’ll be branded terrorists and deported to remote prisons”

              Missed that one.

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            Blame the voters, for donvict being in office?

            Why yes, I think I will. Who else to blame? It’s not like candidates voted themselves into office.

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              Don’t vote? Don’t complain when things go to shit.

              Also, want change? Actually vote in the primaries, donate to a better candidate, volunteer for the better candidate, and fucking vote in the primaries.

              Jesus, everyone thinks that MAGA’s control came overnight, this shitshow took most of the 40+years of being on this earth to happen.

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                Their campaign to radically remake America has gone back even further than that. The reactionary mindset hates freedom of others and cannot stand being hemmed in even slightly by any kind of debt to society or being decent to others, etc…

                So the xtian loons, the white supremacists and the people that give themselves bullshit titles like “job creators” got together on this…

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              You ought to be blaming the Democrats for pushing another status quo candidate without even running a primary.

              The voters aren’t responsible for the uninspiring candidate they were offered, and the Democrats are too busy projecting their failure on their constituents to take responsibility and make changes to prevent it from happening again.

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                That blame is ongoing. But it wasn’t going to change anything in the fall off 2024. The train already left the station. Given that, when trump was one of the tracks, the only sane option was to avoid it. All other logic is secondary after that.

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                  That’s the problem with treating an election like a moral dilemma, this perspective forces you to take the party itself for granted.

                  You sat and watched as the Democrats set up a Trolley Problem, but you’re blaming the people they put at the switch rather than they who tied us to the tracks in the first place.

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                    You can’t dismantle the DNC and put forward a replacement leading candidate in the fall of an election year.

                    The discussion on “hold your nose and vote for Harris, to keep trump out” has an unsaid (but often completely said) primer clause of “the DNC is shit and must change, it’s a priority of 2025 and beyond.”

                    I haven’t seen one Harris voter claiming they were stoked about her or the DNC.

                    Trump IS a moral dilemma, and given one vote, and no time to change things, the only option is to reduce harm. THEN build a better future.

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      Such a hateful comment. It’s not even about American voters. The quote you pull here is about human people living through unimaginable torment and loss and you call it “cope.”

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          you said cope. about ethnic displacement. like it’s internet beef or something. that’s what’s hateful. cope with me judging you for it.

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            It’s not a problem too cope with you judging me, it’s very, very easy, barely an inconvenience.

            I simply don’t care one whit about what you think about me. You have your opinion, I have mine and opinions are like assholes, we all have one.

            And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump, was a key factor in his victory, and he implemented a Muslim man in his first term and one of his first acts was to nominate and appoint cabinet members who have a history of anti-Muslim rhetoric, and just stated he wanted to turn Gaza into a parking lot with resorts and no Palestinians.

            May you and I live in the interesting times we voted or sat out of voting for.

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              And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump,

              Ah there you go! You have a problem with some Arab Americans who endorsed Trump. I have a problem with them to!

              But some is not all. The quote you cited is from a group who endorsed Jill Stein. If every Stein vote had been alocated to Harris the outcome would have been the same.

              Looks like I have helped you successfully make your position less hateful. It turns out you were attacking the wrong group. This is progress. :) Best regards.