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cross-posted from: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/1077711
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Welp
This is a ridiculous false equivalence.
You’re right. The Bolsheviks and Haitians didn’t own slaves!
You mean the French and Russians didn’t have slavery before their revolutions. But the Bolsheviks killed millions. And they established slave labor camps for decades.
[Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917]
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
And in the French revolution, just a handful of people caused thousands of executions.
https://www.worldhistory.org/Reign_of_Terror/
[This led to the enactment of the Law of Suspects, which allowed for the arrests of between 300,000 and half a million citizens nationwide. 16,594 of these ‘suspects’ were formally executed after a trial, while around 10,000 died in prison, and thousands more were killed in various massacres staged across France. It is estimated that the total death toll during the ten-month Reign of Terror rests anywhere between 30-50,000.]
Did you really think I couldn’t back up my statement with facts? How is the Reign of Terror in France and the mass genocide in the USSR in any way “equivalent” to the American and Haitian revolutions?
That first link is pure cold warrior nonsense on par with the black book of communism. As for the second, I defer to the words of Mark Twain:
Truthfully I support all of those revolutions as historical processes which have brought about necessary change, but the Haitians and the Russians fighting for their freedom from Slavery and Capitalism respectively are much more commendable than the Americans doing so because they didn’t want to slow down their westward expansion.
Lenin and Stalin did more harm to socialism than any other people in the entire history of mankind. You are a 20th century fossil. Soviet genocide are well documented facts. Here you go…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967067X97000111
https://www.chinafile.com/library/nyrb-china-archive/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2010/09/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310
https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/ezpp8k/how_many_people_did_stalin_actually_kill/
https://allthatsinteresting.com/how-many-people-did-stalin-kill
https://www.britannica.com/place/Soviet-Union/The-U-S-S-R-from-the-death-of-Lenin-to-the-death-of-Stalin
literally a fiction book. You might as well cite fucking Animal Farm.
btw I’m giving your comment exactly as nuanced and in-depth a look as it deserves.