• chobeat@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    28 days ago

    Life is a gift from God and should be preserved. Chasing death and risks has little to do with Christian values.

      • chobeat@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        28 days ago

        Catholics believe in free will. You’re free to struggle against challenges. God is not a puppeteer you have to obey to.

  • Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    28 days ago

    It is difficult to replace leadership. Even if there is an established process, it is difficult to replace leadership.

    Non-violence is preached for change but we might not have had BLM protests if MLK wasn’t shot. There might have been less protections for pedophile priests if the pope during that scandal was shot. We might not have our minority generals and navy officers fired if BLM was violent.

  • peto (he/him)@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    28 days ago

    They also believe you only get into heaven if you are free of sin. Make of that what you will.

  • allywilson@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    28 days ago

    Same reason true believers look when crossing the road - they don’t actually believe.

        • zagaberoo@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          28 days ago

          The vast majority of believers believe god’s plan includes free will. God may know the future, but we can certainly agree that we do not.

          By the logic you seem to be presenting, why would believers take any action whatsoever?

          • allywilson@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            27 days ago

            Exactly. If they are destined to get hit by a bus or not, it doesn’t matter, God wills that they will or won’t. So why bother looking when crossing the road?

            • zagaberoo@beehaw.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              26 days ago

              Believers still understand intuitively just as you do that people who don’t look before they cross tend to get hit more often. Whether you call it “god’s will” or “just the way things are” has no bearing on the fact that it is prudent to look before you leap.

              Your argument applies equally to non-believers. If a freak accident might kill you despite your best efforts, why bother trying to protect yourself at all?

              The reason your argument is fallacious is also the same whether you believe in god or not: the future isn’t knowable.

              • allywilson@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                26 days ago

                the future isn’t knowable.

                And therefore God cannot know, therefore he cannot have a plan.

                • zagaberoo@beehaw.org
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  26 days ago

                  A bit off-topic, but a completely understandable theology. I personally don’t find it meaningful to speculate about what god ‘knows’, since god is beyond all things.

                  In any case I’m glad you understand why believers tend to look before they cross the road.