Reddit admins forced the mods of /r/changemyview to ban the discussion of transgender topics. Is there a version of /r/changemyview here that allows transgender topics?
Reddit admins forced the mods of /r/changemyview to ban the discussion of transgender topics. Is there a version of /r/changemyview here that allows transgender topics?
To play devil’s advocate, trans in sports is a hot topic that I believe merits debate. I’m not going to do that, but it’s an example of something that’s not just black and white, and that I assume can’t be discussed at all at reddit given this post by OP.
i think the real debate should be whether cis people should be allowed in sports. it makes my children uncomfortable to see them pushing their lifestyle down their throats
And that’s definitely an opinion you should be able to post and discuss in a forum like changemyview.
So, you’d like to argue for the validity of excluding a vulnerable group, in the middle of a world spanning hate campaign against that exact group?
Ada, chill the fuck out.
Nope. I very specifically said I’m not arguing about that. I’m giving an example of something polarizing that someone may want to have their mind changed on.
Maybe ease up on the hostility. There are people out there that were raised a certain way that want to change or perhaps have questions due to ignorance on the topic. By being combative, you’re doing more harm than good for something you clearly care about.
I’m not asking you to argue about it. I explicitly don’t want people arguing about it, which I was hoping my previous comment would make clear.
If someone turns against all trans people because they encounter a single angry trans person, then they were just looking for an excuse to justify what they already felt.
And it’s not my job to play nice with the people trying to erase my rights in the hope that maybe, just maybe, they’ll stop what they’re doing! That doesn’t work. That has never worked. Every single civil right gain has been made by pushing back.
So thanks for the advice, but I’ll keep pushing back
You’re not pushing back against anti trans people, you’re pushing back against people trying to change and understand. You are doing more harm than good to the trans community, and if you understand that and continue to be that way, then what does that say about you?
This is all an interesting hypothetical to you. To me, it’s my lived life. Trust me, I’ve done what you’re talking about. I was active in /r/changemyview, and I’ve spent a lot of time having this discussion with people on social media.
And in that time, not a single person has changed their perspective or view on the topic. Because they already had a view, and despite the ostensible goal of the sub, they’re largely not open to changing their view. They may want to, but they’re not actually willing to change it. Because ultimately, people arrived at their “concerns” through emotional manipulation, and that can’t be undone by “rational discussion”. Like sure, maybe you’re the single exception, and in my 5+ years of having this discussion, you might be the first to genuinely change your opinion. But even then, after 5 years of normalising the idea that my rights are up for discussion, as if it’s actually ok for people to want them removed because of their “concerns”, I’d have a single changed mind in 5 years.
But you know what else I’ve done in those 5 years? I’ve told every other person that I’ve had this discussion with that it’s actually ok to debate my rights, that whether or not I deserve rights is based on how well I can debate and argue. And I’ve given the bigots driving this whole discussion exactly what they wanted, which is to make myself a target.
Fuck that.
So what does it say about me? It says I’ve got more lived experience in navigating this topic than you ever will, and I’m no longer willing to see “civil discussion” on the erasure of peoples rights, in the pointless hope that it will actually help us. Because it doesn’t.
Ok.