• hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
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    1 month ago

    Nice. I’ll try it.

    Yeah, I also think it’s more an expression which somehow emerged, and it’s not really a Eureka moment. They also seem to put it that way in the paper. The say it’s an Aha for the scientists, and the whole reasoning process is an Aha, but they don’t really write the model is having an Aha moment due to some insight it had.

    I don’t know if you watch Youtube videos, but Computerphile made a video about DeepSeek and an interesting video about Forbidden AI techniques a few days ago. That’s also about the reasoning process and how LLMs can be lazy and take unwanted shortcuts, and hide information in the thinking step.

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      they don’t really write the model is having an Aha moment due to some insight it had.

      Well, they really can’t write it that way because it would imply the model is capable of insight which is a function of higher cognition. That path leads to questioning if machine learning neural networks are capable of any real sparks of sapience or sentience. Thats a ‘UGI’ conversation most people absolutely don’t want to have at this point for various practical, philosophical, and religous/spiritual implications.

      So you can’t just outright say it, especially not in an academic STEM paper. Science academia has a hard bias against the implication of anything metaphysical or overly abstract at best they will say it ‘simulates some cognative aspects of intelligence’.

      In my own experience, the model at least says 'ah! aha! Right, right, right, so…` when it thinks it has had an insight of some kind. Whether or not models are truly capable of such thing or is merely some statistical text prediction artifact is a subjective discussion of philosophy kind of like a computer scientist nerds version of the deterministic philosophical zombie arguments.

      Thanks for sharing the video! I havent seen computerphile in a while, will take a look especially with that title. Gotta learn about dat forbidden computation :)