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      I guess the only active users beside the admin are only the downvoters. I mean it’s not even related to actual conservatism (or whatever the correct noun here is) but weird ass shit coming out of trumps mouth and the “article” comes from Breitbart… which kind of takes away the substance for a real debate.

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        I guess the only active users beside the admin are only the downvoters.

        Then I would question why those people would even be here. It’s not like I am going to stop posting because some random Lemmy’s downvote everything I post. I am not posting for you all. I’m posting for myself and anyone else who may want to read the articles.

        I don’t go to communities that I don’t agree with or have no interest in. And I certainly wouldn’t go to the just to downvote them.

        There are My Little Pony and Furry communites on Lemmy. I think it’s weird that adult men would be obsessed with a little girls show or that they would dress up as animals. But I’m fine with them having their forums and posting whatever they want there. I wouldn’t visit those communities because it’s not my thing.

        It’s very very easy to not go to a community on Lemmy. lol

        So serious question: why do you go into communities you don’t agree with?! You’re not gonig to changes anyone’s opinion, so why go there if you have disagree with the subject?

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      Nope. Not everything involves debates or arguments. I’m just posting conservative articles to this conservative community. I am sure you can find plenty of other places on Lemmy to debate and/or argue politics.

      Politics isn’t my life and doesn’t define me. And I don’t really care about political debates. Lemmy is way too obsessed about political arguing. lol

      There is nothing on Lemmy that says no conservative voices should be heard. No rules against posting conservative articles. Lemmy is not a “liberals-only” space.

      If ya find the article interesting, then read it it. If not, feel free to move on and/or block this community, because I’m not going to stop posting. :)

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          Thank you, and sorry if my comment came off as harsh. Lots of people come here to just say I’m a Nazi or whatever.

          But I do appreciate the fact that you look like you’re looking for genuine debate rather than just to hassle people who have different political opinions.

          Lately, I’ve been seeing a lot of behavior on Lemmy that seems focused on banning/bullying anyone with a different opinion. It feels like the platform is drifting away from the open, inclusive spirit it originally had.

          Also, another reason I wouldn’t be good at debating you is because I’m not really good at debate. I’m actually not MAGA or anything – I’m actually libertarian-anarchist. So I don’t have a deep understanding and/or feeling about politics. I’m the most hated on Lemmy because I think both main parties suck exactly the same. Yep, I’m a “BoTh PaRtiEs SuCk” fellow.

          But I believe conservative voices have a right to be part of the conversation. The tendency on Lemmy to immediately shout “Nazi!” at anyone with a different opinion is toxic. And honestly, seeing people protest Teslas by spray-painting Nazi symbols on them—especially in predominantly Jewish neighborhoods like recent news reports have shown— or the guy who set people on fire at a pro-Israel gathering in Boulder, CO recently, feels more like actual fascist behavior than anything I’ve seen from users on Lemmy.

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            I’m also a both sides suck kinda fellow, but I don’t bolster ideas I don’t agree with. Personally I believe that if the view point can be consistently drowned out in proper discourse or removed with little complaints from members of the community, then it has simply lost in the marketplace of ideas.

            This is different in my eyes to propaganda or authoritarian censorship in that Lemmy is a place where anyone can share any opinion freely. Or engage with whatever ideas they want. And the Lemmy community has seemly decided that they do not want or like conservative ideas.

            Where as authoritarian censorship is being stripped of your citizenship, visa, etc because you condemn an active genocide or said mean things about the president and his army of secret police that kidnap people without due process.

            Maybe I don’t really understand your goal here, but how could you identify as an anarchist of any type when you’re simply sharing the same propaganda that an overtly authoritarian regime is feeding people?

            You’re not really bolstering the little guys considering they have all 3 branches of federal government. Maybe Nazi accusations are extreme (I disagree, but for the sake of discussion) but they’re still openly authoritarian and pro crony capitalism. Does this not weigh on your conscious? That you’re choosing to be a mouth piece of this regime?

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              Lemmy is a place where anyone can share any opinion freely.

              Well, free from legal trouble. But I have seen lots of people banned from places on Lemmy, and outright bullied, for being third party advocates. Especially before the election. And the amount of people who throw around words like “Nazi!” and “Fascist” for even minor disagreements is pretty telling.

              And the Lemmy community has seemly decided that they do not want or like conservative ideas.

              Which would be fine in and of itself, but the amount of bullying I see here on conservatives is pretty toxic. I, myself, have been subject to this in addition to stalking.

              Does this not weigh on your conscious? That you’re choosing to be a mouth piece of this regime?

              I didn’t write the articles. I don’t even post the articles. I post links to the articles. From websites that have far far greater viewership than tiny Lemmy. No one has to read the articles (in fact, most come here do not).

              Think about it this way: Most of Lemmy is very anti-conservative anyway, so their mind won’t be changed by the articles, or by seeing a conservative article. The few who are conservative, already agree with the article, so no minds changed. And I don’t think there is a single Lemmy user that is “undecided” and would be swayed by any article posted in a conservative community unless they were inclined to be conservative.

              So again, no minds are being changed. I am under no illusion that minds would be changed. So what would weigh on my conscious? People are allowed to make their own choices anyway, so there is nothing to weight down my conscious.

              The websites I post from have many many more viewers than Lemmy, so I’m not adding any traffic. So how would I be a mouth piecs of this regime if few even see the links, and even fewer would click on them?

              And I’ve also posted articles critical of conservatives and critical of Trump. What do I have to be guilty about?! If someone so weak that they can’t make educated decisions themselves, that’s on them. Not me.

              You realize that Lemmy has less than 100K members, right?! There are subs on Reddit that have more eyes than there are members on Lemmy. lol

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                Well then what are you doing here?

                If the goal isn’t to change minds or balance the voices and opinions on Lemmy.

                And you admittedly aren’t a conservative wanting a community since you do seem to have a community you’d rather participate in that is actively contradictory.

                You don’t agree with the articles. You don’t believe you’re adding to the articles viewer ship. In fact the only thing that this sub seems to do is attract angry people from the all feed who assume you think these opinion pieces are good hence why you’re sharing and then call you a fascist when the article has fascist aligned ideas. The only thing that seems to do is confirm your belief that third party voters are called fascists and Nazis. You’ve even taken the handle of the two men who are participating in the rounding up of US citizens and residents to a forced labor concentration camp.

                You’re just an RSS feed no one’s asked for?

                I’m a third party voter myself. I don’t vote libertarian because I don’t think they want to solve the problems I’m worried about, but I do agree a more diverse election options would be better. That seems to be your biggest concern and I don’t see how being a mouth piece of an establishment party helps. Sure you’re not a good one, but you’re still a mouthpiece.

                I really would like to know what it is you’re doing then. What is the goal of this community? Why?

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                  Well then what are you doing here?

                  Posting links to news articles that I find interesting.

                  You don’t agree with the articles.

                  I never said that.

                  In fact the only thing that this sub seems to do is attract angry people from the all feed who assume you think these opinion pieces are good hence why you’re sharing and then call you a fascist when the article has fascist aligned ideas.

                  That’s their mistake and their issue. Not my issue. If they are lame enough to be mad at a link to a news article, then they should probably re-evaluate their lives.

                  You’ve even taken the handle of the two men who are participating in the rounding up of US citizens and residents to a forced labor concentration camp.

                  Yeah? Where are these labor concentration camps? You have any news articles saying that? What US citizens have been rounded up and sent to forced labor concentration camps?

                  You’re just an RSS feed no one’s asked for?

                  People can block me and/or the community and never see any of these articles. Takes less than 10 seconds to do that.

                  I really would like to know what it is you’re doing then. What is the goal of this community? Why?

                  I made a community for people who are marginalized by the overall Lemmy community. And you can do it to.

                  If you don’t like this community or you wanna see some other type of community, then make one. Be the change you wanna see, guy.