I’ve tried coding and every one I’ve tried fails unless really, really basic small functions like what you learn as a newbie compared to say 4o mini that can spit out more sensible stuff that works.
I’ve tried explanations and they just regurgitate sentences that can be irrelevant, wrong, or get stuck in a loop.
So. what can I actually use a small LLM for? Which ones? I ask because I have an old laptop and the GPU can’t really handle anything above 4B in a timely manner. 8B is about 1 t/s!
Currently I’ve been using a local AI (a couple different kinds) to first - take the audio from a Twitch stream; so that I have context about the conversation, convert it to text, and then use a second AI; an LLM fed the first AIs translation + twitch chat and store ‘facts’ about specific users so that they can be referenced quickly for a streamer who has ADHD in order to be more personable.
That way, the guy can ask User X how their mothers surgery went. Or he can remember that User K has a birthday coming up. Or remember that User G’s son just got a PS5 for Christmas, and wants a specific game.
It allows him to be more personable because he has issues remembering details about his users. It’s still kind of a big alpha test at the moment, because we don’t know the best way to display the ‘data’, but it functions as an aid.
Hey, you’re treating that data with the respect it demands, right? And you definitely collected consent from those chat participants before you Hoover’d up their [re-reads example] extremely Personal Identification Information AND Personal Health Information, right? Because if you didn’t, you’re in violation of a bunch of laws and the Twitch TOS.
If I say my name is Doo doo head, in a public park, and someone happens to overhear it - they can do with that information whatever they want. Same thing. If you wanna spew your personal life on Twitch, there are bots that listen to all of the channels everywhere on twitch. They aren’t violating any laws, or Twitch TOS. So, *buzzer* WRONG.
Right now, the same thing is being done to you on Lemmy. And Reddit. And Facebook. And everywhere else.
Look at a bot called “FrostyTools” for Twitch. Reads Twitch chat, Uses an AI to provide summaries of chat every 30 minutes or so. If that’s not violating TOS, then neither am I. And thousands upon thousands of people use FrostyTools.
I have the consent of the streamer, I have the consent of Twitch (through their developer API), and upon using Twitch, you give the right to them to collect, distribute, and use that data at their whim.
Quite arrogant after you just constructed a faulty comparison.
That’s absolutely not the same thing. Overhearing something that is in the background is fundamentally different from actively recording everything going on in a public space. You film yourself or some performance in a park and someone happens to be in the background? No problem. You build a system to identify everyone in the park and collect recordings of their conversations? Absolutely a problem, depending on the jurisdiction. The intent of the recording(s) and the reasonable expectations of the people recorded are factored in in many jurisdictions, and being in public doesn’t automatically entail consent to being recorded.
See for example https://www.freedomforum.org/recording-in-public/
(And just to clarify: I am not arguing against your explanation of Twitch’s TOS, only against the bad comparison you brought.)
You’re both getting side-tracked by this discussion of recording. The recording is likely legal in most places.
It’s the processing of that unstructured data to extract and store personal information that is problematic. At that point you go from simply recording a conversation of which you are a part, to processing and storing people’s personal data without their knowledge, consent, or expectation.
True.
Although in Germany for example it can also be an issue when recording. If you have a security camera pointed at a public space (that can include the sidewalk infront of your house), passersby can sue you to take it down and potentially get you fined. Even pretending to constantly record such an area can yield that result.
I’m not a lawyer but I suppose it would depend on the ToS and if the user agrees to the recording and processing. But if it allows the extraction of the real identity of the user it’s probably a GDPR issue.
Literally not. The police use this right now to record your location and time seen using license plates all over the nation - with private corporations providing the service.
And yes, it’s called ‘expectation to the right of privacy’. Public venues are not ‘private’ locations, and thus do not need consent. You can, quite literally, record anyone in public.
Even the link you provided agrees.
In the US maybe but not in Germany, Austria and probably most countries in Europe.
Doesn’t Twitch own all data that is written and their TOS will state something like you can’t store data yourself locally.
I’m not storing their data. I’m feeding it to an LLM which infers things and storing that data.
Was this system vibe coded? I get the feeling it was…
There’s not actually that much code. It’s like 8 lines for an AI ‘agent’, and maybe another 16 lines for ‘tools’, and I’m using Streamlink for grabbing the audio stream, and pulseaudio has a ‘monitor’ device you can use to listen to what’s playing on the speakers. Throw it on a very minimal linux distro on a VM, and that’s it.
I don’t do ‘vibe coding’, but that IS where I got the idea from. People who are doing ‘vibe coding’ nowadays aren’t just plugging things into a generic AI, they’re spinning up ‘agents’ and making tools via MCP and then those agents are tasked with specific things, and use the tools to directly write to files, search the internet, read documents, etc
I’d also consider writing a script with AI, which you don’t understand, as vibe coding. Basically if you wouldn’t be able to do it on your own it’s vibe coding.
lol. Way to contradict yourself.
Most US states are single party consent. https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/
There is no expectation of privacy in public spaces. Participants to these streams which are open to all do not have a prohibition on repeating what they have heard.
Repeating what they heard is very different from automatically processing the chat to harvest personal information about the participants.
Just because some data is publicly available doesn’t mean all processing of that data is legal and moral.
It is qualitatively equivalent. Any single piece of information could have been copied, it is safe to assume it has all been copied.
Although I would be onboard for supporting an expectation of pruvacy in public spaces and making private cctv recording illegal.
Right and what I was saying was even if it wasnt “public”, single party consent means the person recording can be that single party- so still a non-issue.
Surely none of that uses a small LLM <= 3B?
Yes. The small LLM isn’t retrieving data, it’s just understanding context of text enough to know what “Facts” need to be written to a file. I’m using the publicly released Deepseek models from a couple of months ago.
Some questions and because you don’t actually understand, also, the answers.
I mean yeah, it’s a use case, but own up to the fact that you’re wrong. Or be pissy. I don’t care.
So this wasn’t a post actually asking what a small LLM was good for, it was just an opportunity you could use to dump on LLM usage I take it. So this whole thing was made in bad faith?
With the comments about “vibe coding” and such, all it looks like you’re doing here is arguing the “merits” of how it’s being used, and you’re not interested in its actual usage at all.
Nobody is being pissy here except you. Small LLMs can be used for tasks such as this, and it doesn’t have to be twitch - It could be an assistant that you build for reminders in your personal life - using it on twitch is a minor detail that you seem to have latched onto because you just want to dump on LLM usage.
Go to /c/fuck_ai for that.
I gave you an example that it’s good for, and all you want to do is argue the merits of how I’m using it (even though it falls perfectly within Twitches TOS and use cases)
sounds like salesforce for a twitch setting. cool use case, must make fun moments when he mentions such things.
Esp. if the LLM just hallucinates 50% of the “facts” a about the users 👌
That hasn’t been a problem at all for the 200+ users it’s tracking so far for about 4 months.
I don’t know a human that could ever keep up with this kind of thing. People just think he’s super personable, but in reality he’s not. He’s just got a really cool tool to use.
He’s managed some really good numbers because being that personal with people brings them back and keeps them chatting. He’ll be pushing for partner after streaming for only a year and he’s just some guy I found playing Wild Hearts with 0 viewers one day… :P