Yes, because there are many more people involved than just the libs online.
Many protests had a very clear list of demands related to ICE, Iran and Palestine, education cuts, etc.
I know people across the country who put in tons of effort at capturing people into actual organizations and succeeded.
Also I don’t think getting people to gather together - even in their millions - actually accomplished anything. In fact - I think the lib mindset that No Kings was a “win” against Trump is a mirage. You don’t defeat the fascists by holding up signs of their leader as a baby crawling who is crying that his crown fell off and broke.
Yes, obviously. These sorts of protests will never accomplish anything directly. That doesn’t make them a waste. They are an opportunity to escalate those attendees to greater levels of political action. You need to meet people where they are to move them further along.
Many protests had a very clear list of demands related to ICE, Iran and Palestine, education cuts, etc.
Which lib protests and/or organizers made demands?
I know people across the country…
Those people are libs?
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It’s standard operating procedure for libs to derail spontaneous protests for their own ends. And I think it’s pretty clear that the libs are going to be highly active doing that for the next few years. To be pedantic - one of their ever-present goals of the libs is crushing the left. At Bluesky the lib version of solidarity is “building coalitions”. And - of course - leftists get nothing. Building coalitions means that leftists need to get on the lib train because that’s the only path forward that’s “realistic”. Any leftist demands need to be jettisoned because they are entirely “unrealistic”.
Why do I get the sense you’re going to keep arguing with at least five of us that we’re wrong about all this stuff?
Which lib protests and/or organizers made demands?
None! But there were not only lib protests, and that’s my point. And even if there were, you still need to show up and contest the political space.
Those people are libs?
No, they are communists. I’m saying that your characterization of this entire thing as “libs” is wrong because they just represent one segment vying for leadership of the whole thing and they have absolutely not secured it.
It’s standard operating procedure for libs to derail spontaneous protests for their own ends. And I think it’s pretty clear that the libs are going to be highly active doing that for the next few years. To be pedantic - one of their ever-present goals of the libs is crushing the left. At Bluesky the lib version of solidarity is “building coalitions”. And - of course - leftists get nothing. Building coalitions means that leftists need to get on the lib train because that’s the only path forward that’s “realistic”. Any leftist demands need to be jettisoned because they are entirely “unrealistic”.
Don’t let them do this to you! They have tried to do exactly that to me and my comrades. They wanted us to buckle and get on board with their demands while dropping ours. What did we do? We held an entirely separate competing protest that was very successful and drew as many people as theirs did. We laid out the communist line. We were uncompromisingly anti-imperialist. And those politics were well-received because the people are primed for anti-systemic politics
Why do I get the sense you’re going to keep arguing with at least five of us that we’re wrong about all this stuff?
No, they are communists. I’m saying that your characterization of this entire thing as “libs” is wrong because they just represent one segment vying for leadership of the whole thing and they have absolutely not secured it.
“They” absolutely will. They being ex political staffers who will seek money from donors they already have connections with to explicitly quell any revolutionary message. Distinctly happened with Extinction Rebellion where they ended up having an impenetrable controlled upper management of said people.
Yes, because there are many more people involved than just the libs online.
Many protests had a very clear list of demands related to ICE, Iran and Palestine, education cuts, etc.
I know people across the country who put in tons of effort at capturing people into actual organizations and succeeded.
Yes, obviously. These sorts of protests will never accomplish anything directly. That doesn’t make them a waste. They are an opportunity to escalate those attendees to greater levels of political action. You need to meet people where they are to move them further along.
Which lib protests and/or organizers made demands?
Those people are libs?
-–
It’s standard operating procedure for libs to derail spontaneous protests for their own ends. And I think it’s pretty clear that the libs are going to be highly active doing that for the next few years. To be pedantic - one of their ever-present goals of the libs is crushing the left. At Bluesky the lib version of solidarity is “building coalitions”. And - of course - leftists get nothing. Building coalitions means that leftists need to get on the lib train because that’s the only path forward that’s “realistic”. Any leftist demands need to be jettisoned because they are entirely “unrealistic”.
Why do I get the sense you’re going to keep arguing with at least five of us that we’re wrong about all this stuff?
None! But there were not only lib protests, and that’s my point. And even if there were, you still need to show up and contest the political space.
No, they are communists. I’m saying that your characterization of this entire thing as “libs” is wrong because they just represent one segment vying for leadership of the whole thing and they have absolutely not secured it.
Don’t let them do this to you! They have tried to do exactly that to me and my comrades. They wanted us to buckle and get on board with their demands while dropping ours. What did we do? We held an entirely separate competing protest that was very successful and drew as many people as theirs did. We laid out the communist line. We were uncompromisingly anti-imperialist. And those politics were well-received because the people are primed for anti-systemic politics
because you’re wrong
“They” absolutely will. They being ex political staffers who will seek money from donors they already have connections with to explicitly quell any revolutionary message. Distinctly happened with Extinction Rebellion where they ended up having an impenetrable controlled upper management of said people.