Why is that, and what would you suggest we do to improve its appeal? I recognize that we’re sort of the radical fringe of urbanism and that’s on purpose (a radical fringe is necessary for any movement, in order to make the moderates look moderate), but within that bound I am interested in trying to develop as much credibility as possible.
(Feel free to PM me if you’d prefer to answer without inviting a public debate, and thanks in advance for any feedback you’re willing to give!)
I’m in the same boat. I’m here because I want to discuss things related to transit, walkability, better quality of life, renewable energy and new technology: there’s so much we can do to improve people’s lives while also being easier on the planet and cost less.
I’m not frustrated by cars, but more that cars are the only goal. From my experiences the best we can hope for in most places is less need of personal cars. It even gives us a continuing goal: however car dependent we are now, how can we be less so?
This tends to come out in discussions, for example, on parking minimums. While I agree we need to waste less real estate on parking, home and park-n-rides are different. The reality is people in the US are not giving up their cars any time soon. Let them keep them at home while giving them better options. Let them drive to transit while we improve the transit network.
A while back I saw a post on Shittit (Reddit) on r/fuckcars supporting “peaceful protestors” burning Tesla cars. Not only the OP but all the comments were supportive of it and encouraged that behaviour. I get the whole hating Musk thing, I hate him too. I started to see his real self when he did the bitcoin pump-and-dump in 2021, I lost a considerable amount of money because of him. Before that event I saw him kind of an revolutionary business man. Since that event I just him as a grifter lookong for new ways to earn more and more money. So anyway back to point, posts like this make the average joe who doesn’t know much about fuckcars movement think they are “extremists” advocating for violence against car owners and their vehicles. I hate Musk, but I don’t support and advocate for burning of innocent people’s hard earned car. Tesla is still considered a “premium car”, many people buy it on monthly installments. Imagine buying your dream car on installment and some random wacko set it on fire just because the guy behind the company started supporting the other party. Before the Trump-Musk relationship, Tesla used to be a “liberal” car since it was electric and liberals love EV’s. Deciding to turn against the car company you once loved and to the point to setting innocent people’s cars on fire is just ridiculous! And also, I saw a lot of “jealousy” and “sourness” towards car owners in r/fuckcars. Things like these made me avoid the whole movement. You are free to post my message on any community or magazine for debate. Just blur out my username completely and don’t like my profile.
Why is that, and what would you suggest we do to improve its appeal? I recognize that we’re sort of the radical fringe of urbanism and that’s on purpose (a radical fringe is necessary for any movement, in order to make the moderates look moderate), but within that bound I am interested in trying to develop as much credibility as possible.
(Feel free to PM me if you’d prefer to answer without inviting a public debate, and thanks in advance for any feedback you’re willing to give!)
I’m in the same boat. I’m here because I want to discuss things related to transit, walkability, better quality of life, renewable energy and new technology: there’s so much we can do to improve people’s lives while also being easier on the planet and cost less.
I’m not frustrated by cars, but more that cars are the only goal. From my experiences the best we can hope for in most places is less need of personal cars. It even gives us a continuing goal: however car dependent we are now, how can we be less so?
This tends to come out in discussions, for example, on parking minimums. While I agree we need to waste less real estate on parking, home and park-n-rides are different. The reality is people in the US are not giving up their cars any time soon. Let them keep them at home while giving them better options. Let them drive to transit while we improve the transit network.
A while back I saw a post on Shittit (Reddit) on r/fuckcars supporting “peaceful protestors” burning Tesla cars. Not only the OP but all the comments were supportive of it and encouraged that behaviour. I get the whole hating Musk thing, I hate him too. I started to see his real self when he did the bitcoin pump-and-dump in 2021, I lost a considerable amount of money because of him. Before that event I saw him kind of an revolutionary business man. Since that event I just him as a grifter lookong for new ways to earn more and more money. So anyway back to point, posts like this make the average joe who doesn’t know much about fuckcars movement think they are “extremists” advocating for violence against car owners and their vehicles. I hate Musk, but I don’t support and advocate for burning of innocent people’s hard earned car. Tesla is still considered a “premium car”, many people buy it on monthly installments. Imagine buying your dream car on installment and some random wacko set it on fire just because the guy behind the company started supporting the other party. Before the Trump-Musk relationship, Tesla used to be a “liberal” car since it was electric and liberals love EV’s. Deciding to turn against the car company you once loved and to the point to setting innocent people’s cars on fire is just ridiculous! And also, I saw a lot of “jealousy” and “sourness” towards car owners in r/fuckcars. Things like these made me avoid the whole movement. You are free to post my message on any community or magazine for debate. Just blur out my username completely and don’t like my profile.