the point is about whether criticism of Israel is allowed. It is, both by people and politicians.
May I remind you that we’re discussing this on a post about how an Australian woman in Australia was viciously beaten by state actors (cops) for engaging in criticism of Israel.
There are also instances of EU(Irish) citizens being deported due to Palestine support.
Again, if someone’s being deported for criticizing Israel, I don’t think that really qualifies as “criticism is allowed”. In theory, I’m sure it is. In practice is a very different beast.
Yes, in a thread about global permissions to criticize. As it happens a friend of a friends knows her as she’s active in the green party. She (the victim) was there as a legal observer, and is a lawyer, so very unlikely she was doing anything to warrant the assault.
So, to answer your point, despite the post being about Australia, this thread is about the global response.
I agree, deportation if an EU citizen is unusual. That happened months ago. My point is that the tide has turned, even in Germany. It’s been permitted elsewhere indefinitely. The deportation was a sign of Gen breaking norms to support. There were also indications that of netanyahu came to France or Germany, he wouldn’t be arrested. There were also indications that he would, so he didn’t dare. Just like Putin hasn’t.
In Sydney, where this assault happened there are weekly peaceful pro-palesrinian protests in Hyde park since the October 7th response. So, are you trying to say criticism or Israel is not permitted in Australia, based on this, or just trying to shift the goalposts again?
I wasn’t concentrating specifically on Aus either, just pointing out that a prominent member of “the west” is brutally attempting to silence dissent, which they are. Yes, I am trying to say that criticism of Israel isn’t looked upon kindly in Australia – or in France, or in Germany, or in Italy, or in the Netherlands – and there’s no dearth of police brutality to be had in the US and Canada either.
As for arresting Netanyahu, Belgium and Hungary have straight up said they’ll be doing no such thing, and Greece was more than happy to welcome him despite there being an ICC arrest warrant out for him. Germany’s obviously not going to arrest him, France has done everything possible to be as lily-livered and non-committal about it as possible while backtracking on Palestinian recognition.
So no, it hasn’t “been permitted” indefinitely. The tide is turning amongst the people, but governments are still being as heavy-handed and militaristic as possible to shield their genocidaire buddies and the military contracts they bring.
Well, yes it has. Australia, and a person being assaulted, is the data point you were using to say dissent was not allowed. There have been weekly peaceful protests in Sydney, with police keeping it safe. ACAB may be true but there is varying degrees and Australian police are not the same as american. This was likely a case of police violence towards protest, irrespective of ideology.
All those different countries have people, as you say, with differing views. You’re equating the act of government as being their belief and they have all had rallies and protests. Dissent is not banned by any means. The number of people opposed to genocide or aware of the seriousness of genocide is growing. That is changing the politics.
You should be aware that in Sydney, there have also been antisemitic attacks on child care centres, schools, businesses and there have also been false flag terrorist attacks against Jews too. So, the situation in Australia is nowhere near as clear cut as you are presenting.
May I remind you that we’re discussing this on a post about how an Australian woman in Australia was viciously beaten by state actors (cops) for engaging in criticism of Israel.
Again, if someone’s being deported for criticizing Israel, I don’t think that really qualifies as “criticism is allowed”. In theory, I’m sure it is. In practice is a very different beast.
Yes, in a thread about global permissions to criticize. As it happens a friend of a friends knows her as she’s active in the green party. She (the victim) was there as a legal observer, and is a lawyer, so very unlikely she was doing anything to warrant the assault.
So, to answer your point, despite the post being about Australia, this thread is about the global response.
I agree, deportation if an EU citizen is unusual. That happened months ago. My point is that the tide has turned, even in Germany. It’s been permitted elsewhere indefinitely. The deportation was a sign of Gen breaking norms to support. There were also indications that of netanyahu came to France or Germany, he wouldn’t be arrested. There were also indications that he would, so he didn’t dare. Just like Putin hasn’t.
In Sydney, where this assault happened there are weekly peaceful pro-palesrinian protests in Hyde park since the October 7th response. So, are you trying to say criticism or Israel is not permitted in Australia, based on this, or just trying to shift the goalposts again?
I wasn’t concentrating specifically on Aus either, just pointing out that a prominent member of “the west” is brutally attempting to silence dissent, which they are. Yes, I am trying to say that criticism of Israel isn’t looked upon kindly in Australia – or in France, or in Germany, or in Italy, or in the Netherlands – and there’s no dearth of police brutality to be had in the US and Canada either.
As for arresting Netanyahu, Belgium and Hungary have straight up said they’ll be doing no such thing, and Greece was more than happy to welcome him despite there being an ICC arrest warrant out for him. Germany’s obviously not going to arrest him, France has done everything possible to be as lily-livered and non-committal about it as possible while backtracking on Palestinian recognition.
So no, it hasn’t “been permitted” indefinitely. The tide is turning amongst the people, but governments are still being as heavy-handed and militaristic as possible to shield their genocidaire buddies and the military contracts they bring.
Well, yes it has. Australia, and a person being assaulted, is the data point you were using to say dissent was not allowed. There have been weekly peaceful protests in Sydney, with police keeping it safe. ACAB may be true but there is varying degrees and Australian police are not the same as american. This was likely a case of police violence towards protest, irrespective of ideology.
All those different countries have people, as you say, with differing views. You’re equating the act of government as being their belief and they have all had rallies and protests. Dissent is not banned by any means. The number of people opposed to genocide or aware of the seriousness of genocide is growing. That is changing the politics.
You should be aware that in Sydney, there have also been antisemitic attacks on child care centres, schools, businesses and there have also been false flag terrorist attacks against Jews too. So, the situation in Australia is nowhere near as clear cut as you are presenting.