Seriously, how are people still defending this dumpster fire of a system?
Weâve got billionaires hoarding wealth like dragons while regular folks canât even afford insulin or a roof over their heads. But sure, keep licking those corporate boots and pretending âtrickle-down economicsâ isnât a scam.
If youâre against universal healthcare and housing, youâre either brainwashed or part of the problem. Wake up, sheeple!
This thread is the funniest thing Iâve yet seen on lemmy. Two political extremists, who are apparently charicatures of their positions, have come together to moderate a sub where they can insult each other. Oh, internet, I missed this side of you. Can we debate the existance of God next?
libs arenât extremists lmaoooooo
First, let me just say that I think this is a great concept for a community. Seeing how much engagement this post has is great.
I just would suggest to the moderators to make is to that various people can make new topics? Or is it your plan to dropping new topics in a set fashion and avoiding the drama of having people potentially come & shit all over the community?
Cz i donât want to pay for fat guys to eat more and get free ambulances when they cardiac arrest, fuck that guy he earned that heart attack, let him have his prize
Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette. But ok, no more safety net for you, Raw dogg
so youâre fine with denying everyone a better life because you feel like some people donât deserve it?
Iâm fine with him getting help and then posting out of pocket through his health care, however i will say the health care system in the United States is a fucking joke and that the insurance companies are crooks and that maybe premiums are insanely high and in my case have given higher and out of control since the affordable healthcare act was implemented which imo was a lie in the sense that it was supposed to lower costs and increase care options but did neither
Oh Ryan, still tilting at windmills I see. Let me ask you thisâwhen has government-run anything not turned into a bloated, inefficient mess? You want healthcare? Look at the VAâvets dying on waiting lists while bureaucrats shuffle papers. Housing projects? Breeding grounds for crime and dependency. Your utopia requires confiscating wealth from those who earned it to subsidize those who didnât. Thatâs not compassionâitâs theft with a smiley face. And spare me the âbillionaireâ boogeyman. Those dragons, as you call them? They create jobs, fund innovation. Meanwhile, your âfreeâ everything disincentivizes work, ambition, personal responsibility. You want to help people? Teach them to fish. Donât just steal my catch and call it charity.
thatâs a load of capitalist propaganda if Iâve ever heard one. Youâre just regurgitating the same tired talking points the elite want you to parrot. The VAâs problems are because of underfunding, not government inefficiencyâstarve the beast and then complain when itâs weak, classic move. And housing projects? Maybe if we actually invested in communities instead of prisons, people wouldnât be desperate.
Your âteach them to fishâ nonsense ignores systemic barriers. How can someone learn to fish when theyâre drowning in medical debt or sleeping on the street? Billionaires donât create jobs; demand does. They hoard wealth offshore while workers struggle. Trickle-down is a lie, and youâre either too naive or too privileged to see it.
And calling taxation theft? Please. Society functions because we pool resources. Roads, schools, firefightersâyou benefit from them too. Unless youâre living off-grid, youâre part of the system youâre criticizing. Hypocrite much?
Letâs dissect this. First, the VAâs failures arenât due to fundingâthrowing money at bureaucracy doesnât fix structural rot. The Pentagon loses billions annually, yet you trust these same institutions with healthcare? Systemic barriers exist, but your solutionâconfiscatory taxationâpunishes success and stifles innovation. Those âhoardedâ offshore funds?
Theyâre often reinvested globally, creating opportunities even you benefit from indirectly.
As for âtrickle-down,â itâs a strawman. Real economics is about voluntary exchange, not forced redistribution. And taxation isnât theft when limited to essential services, but your vision expands it into outright plunder to fund utopian pipedreams.
You accuse me of privilege, yet your ideology infantilizes the poor, denying their agency. Empowerment comes from meritocracy, not handouts. And yes, I benefit from roads and schoolsâI pay for them. But healthcare and housing? Those arenât rights; theyâre commodities. Redefining them as such is semantic tyranny.
Lastly, hypocrisy? I advocate for personal responsibility within the system. You want to burn it down and replace it with a leviathan. Carefulâhistoryâs graveyard is full of such ânobleâ experiments.
Youâre just parroting libertarian fairy tales. The Pentagonâs waste is a problem, but that doesnât mean all government is bad. You cherry-pick examples to fit your narrative. And âvoluntary exchangeâ?
Tell that to someone dying because they canât afford insulinâhow voluntary is that?
Meritocracy is a myth perpetuated by the privileged. People arenât poor because they lack ambition; theyâre trapped by systems designed to keep them down. Your âpersonal responsibilityâ crap ignores reality. And calling healthcare a commodity? Disgusting. Human rights arenât semanticsâtheyâre necessities. You talk about historyâs graveyard, but capitalism has body counts too.
Colonialism, exploitation, climate crisisâall fueled by greed. But sure, keep defending the billionaires while they laugh all the way to the bank.
Your moral posturing doesnât negate economic reality. Insulin prices are high due to FDA overregulation, not capitalism. Remove gatekeepers and watch competition slash costs. As for âsystems designed to keep people down,â thatâs conspiracy theory masquerading as analysis. The greatest poverty reducer in history? Free markets.
Human rights require negative libertiesâfreedom from coercion. Positive ârightsâ like healthcare demand othersâ labor and resources. Thatâs servitude, not liberty. And capitalismâs âbody countâ? Compare starvation rates pre- and post-industrial revolution. But no, letâs romanticize pre-capitalist squalor because it fits your narrative.
Privilege? I earned my PhD through discipline. You reduce success to luck to justify confiscation. Pathetic.
Haha the lie of the market will regulate itself is funny. When does a corpo ever reduced its price ? Your so full of capitalist propaganda that crash to see.
Youâre delusional if you think deregulation fixes everything. The free market left unchecked leads to monopolies and exploitation. And your PhD? Congrats, but not everyone has that privilege. Most are born into circumstances they canât escape because of systemic inequality. Capitalism didnât end povertyâlabor movements and regulations did. Keep bootlicking though.
Deregulation isnât anarchismâitâs removing barriers to entry that crony capitalists love. Labor movements? They thrived in free markets, not socialist states. And privilege? My single mother worked three jobs. I studied by streetlight. Stop equating merit with luck. Your victim narrative insults the striving poor.
Oh wow, pulling out the âsingle momâ card to justify your bootstrap nonsense. Newsflash: not everyone can grind like that, especially when the systemâs rigged against them. Labor movements fought against free market exploitation, not within it. Youâre rewriting history to fit your capitalist fantasy. Keep living in denial.
You are really lucky that your mom could afford that and that you didnât had to go work at 16 to pay things like facture linked to health issue or other. You should be thankfully of your luck. Not everyone have so much of it.
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The greatest poverty reducer in history? Free markets.
Nope! Thatâs an easily measurable metric and itâs communism and itâs not even close.
The vast majority of evidence for the âfree markets eliminate povertyâ uses cherry-picked data from specific overthrown dictatorships, and then very intentionally missatributtes chinaâs gains to the general trend of global liberalization. With it being the largest country on earth, it makes it real easy to skew the data.
It also needs to be said that poverty rate was a thing created towards the end of the cold war to discredit communism. The fact is does the opposite is extra damning.
If you have quantifiable metrics that show otherwise that donât have the issues above feel free to share!
Chinaâs poverty rate fell from 88 percent in 1981 to 0.7 percent in 2015, as measured by the percentage of people living on the equivalent of US$1.90 or less per day in 2011 purchasing price parity terms
1.90 a day. lol
âpurchasing price parityâ is the key term there.
But also it makes it that much more embarrassing that in 2021 China had 0.1% of itâs population under that bar while the USA had 2%
âEconomy is about real exchangeâ so you admit that capilatism reached an end by allowing billionaires to stockpile money and freezing it out of the people hand ?
Let me ask you thisâwhen has government-run anything not turned into a bloated, inefficient mess? You want healthcare?
Yes, there are multiple successful US government run health care systems that provide a variety of very wide coverage or stellar coverage:
- Medicare: Its is incredibly successful at providing fairly cost effective healthcare to more Americans than any other plan or company in the nation. Simply removing the age requirement for Medicare would be a substantial increase in healthcare coverage.
- Tri-care: Tricare is a health care program of the United States Department of Defense Military Health System. Those that have it, generally love it.
- Federal Employee Health Benefit Program: This is open to Federal employees. This is the âgold starâ health insurance that Congress used to get while the rest of us were getting swiss-cheesed expensive insurance under private employers.
And spare me the âbillionaireâ boogeyman. Those dragons, as you call them? They create jobs, fund innovation. Your utopia requires confiscating wealth from those who earned it to subsidize those who didnât.
Billionaires that âearnedâ it did so in a society that built the civil, legal, and logistical infrastructure for them to do so. All of those things they required to âearnâ it were provided for free to billionaires being citizens of this nation. So try again on the plucky bootstrapping billionaires being entitled to individual wealth never accumulated before in the history of humanity at the cost of basic food, housing, and healthcare of the rest of the nation.
Donât just steal my catch and call it charity.
Donât worry, its not your catch anyway. I am HIGHLY confident you are not a billionaire. I believe it much more likely youâre one of Steinbeck/Writeâs âtemporarily embarrassed millionairesâ.