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As Disney has gone into business with OpenAI, the Mouse House is accusing Google of copyright infringement on a “massive scale” using AI models and services to “commercially exploit and distribute” infringing images and videos.
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IP theft machine does IP theft, hmmmmmm
Well that makes it sound super cool. If this were all it was I’d be 100% for IP Theft machines lol
Remember when people were screeching about the evils of Chinese IP theft? That really went quiet after the IP theft machine was invented
god sometimes i wish we were in cyberpunk 2077 and two megacorps could literally go MAD with their private nuclear arsenals on each other
And then they invest a billion dollars and license their characters to Sora???!?
let them fight!
This isn’t good (for art and artists/workers). Disney is pulling this because they want to establish that genai is licensing/IP issue and that they have the exclusive and transferable right to genai based on works created for Disney even though the workers who created that art never consented to that.
Disney and Google are more or less on the same team here. This is a show trial to establish precedent and informal future legislation.
This makes little to no difference to workers, because they already don’t own the art they produce for a company. It makes a difference for artists who produce under petit bourgeois conditions. I support whichever side hurts IP the most
It does make a difference because it endangeres their future employment.
We don’t accept as an default that studios copy an actors voice and likeness to replacement them. We shouldn’t accept it for animators and visual artists either.
There’s no use in fighting for future employment in the way you’re insinuating. We can feel bad for workers in the art industry because of it, but no amount of “avoiding IP Theft” is gonna save their jobs. Now, is AI in general a threat to human creativity and a threat to their jobs we should oppose? To some extent yeah. But doing so by trying to use IP as a the tool to save the jobs is a worthless pursuit.
I don’t accept people’s likeness being used because of consent. If you don’t say something or do something, nobody should be able to create a video of you doing that. Animator’s animations have no concept of consent. Now it’s wrong to fake something with AI and say an artist made it, yeah, but that’s the consent problem again. Just copying it is only IP Theft. I think it’s a useless thing and limits creativity, but IP is way more important to global capital than this small problem so I support it’s destruction with whatever means available.
Where did I say anything about IP theft? It’s not the workers IP, that obviously is a loosing position position. Marxists basing their argument on theft is funny. The Marxist position is against private property, why would intellectual property be different.
Only way to turn this around is when IP holder’s like Disney don’t get licensing deals and generated IP out of AI.
For tech companies this is a win win because either they get to use Disney’s IP for free or their hoards of data genai output become worth something in future deals. I do think the second option is more valuable for Google too.
For Disney they obviously win if they get licensing deals and get to produce new IP with genai.
For workers it’s different. They don’t benefit much from licensing deals, it’s not their IP, maybe they a bit of money for their earlier work. They only way for labor to get anything resembling a win out of this is when output produced with AI becomes worthless, public domain.
There’s the version in which Disney doesn’t get to make IP claims on GenAI produced slop and GenAI also doesn’t get to prevent mass-data methods of theft. This weakens IP for everyone and benefits the proletarian cause in the long run
Exactly. I do recognize now that I didn’t really express that position in my earlier comments. It’s a conversation, not an essay.
But I think this is more than just a let them fight situation.
And yes, it’s unfortunate that the correct position is to throw the artisans under the bus, at least halfway. But I’ve used up my sympathy when I was trying to argue with authors that demanding the shutdown of public access archives is a bad take and won’t safe them anyway.
This is a battle between GenAI and Disney of IP law precedence for things they already own and can do whatever they want with. The original creator has no say because of capitalism. Or they do, because they’re petit bourgeois and own their production, in which case I’m sorry for them but I don’t care near as much as I do about destroying IP
weird , let them fight?@
