Hi all,

I’m doing an experiment with a cabinet for filament with a small dehumidifier in it. I can get it to sit at 35%, but not much lower. I’ve sealed the cabinet with foam tape, and dried most of the filament first.

Are there any tricks to help improve performance of the mini dehumidifier? Maybe adding more heat to the cabinet?

The goal would be to use Home Assistant and the humidity sensor to turn things on and off as needed.

Thanks!

  • 𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆@lemmy.worldM
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    3 days ago

    My experience may or may not apply here… In automotive paint refinishing back 15+ years ago, 2 part epoxy primers are special. Most primers are (were) 2k urethane. These are similar to automotive 2k clearcoat in how they work. They both have similar thicknesses, leveling after wet coats, and to a lesser extent - drying properties. With drying properties, the surface levels within a minute or so but it forms a surface film and the back side remains tacky for longer. (Where they differ is that clearcoat takes much longer to fully cure, like weeks to months, while primer is workable within an hour or less.) Epoxy primers are high build fillers. They get hard as a rock and are a pain in the ass to sand down. The two main reasons for using an epoxy are for super rough large surfaces, and this the the relevant bit here, they are used to seal the surface.

    In paint, there are a ton of nightmare situations. Like let’s say some brake fluid got on the paint in a crash, or some idiot used rattle can enamel on a car. Often what happens is that the repair I am doing is not the first time the panel has been repaired. While I would like to clean the issue completely and use typical 2k primers, the previous repair may have used epoxy and buried something terrible. I’m not going to strip the whole panel and have to spray additional adjacent panels to color match when I did not estimate this in the cost quote. Epoxy seals out EVERYTHING. With stuff like spray can enamel, the painted surface never cures. It remains reactive to the solvent of anything sprayed on top of it. If ABS trim or bumper covers are exposed to acetone, similar issues with reactions will happen, unless 2 part epoxy primer is used. Epoxy primer is impermeable in the context of automotive paint; it is the nuclear option. Everything else allows some solvents to pass through it over time.

    If you have ever touched the paint of new cars and noticed the softness, that is uncured clearcoat that is still venting solvents in small quantities. This is also why jams painting inside of the seals is kept to a minimum clearcoat thickness. The thicker the clear, the longer it will take to fully cure. As an ex pro painter, that softness tells me a lot about a finish too. It actually starts forming around 5 minutes after the clear is shot, just after the fingerprint test does not pull a string when removed. That is the first moment when I am able to barely graze the surface with fingertips and not damage the surface. It is still very wet underneath at this stage.

    Hopefully that illustrates how even the hardest of painted surfaces is still able to allow stuff to pass through it. If you want to stop that stuff, you need a paint that is made specifically to seal everything.

    That said, the seals and other materials also need to be up for the task. Most of those are likely just dust seals. How you deal with corners is critical. Just look at stuff like Pelican cases.

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    7 days ago

    Not sure what type of humidifier that is but you may need a rotary one to get lower. There’s a technology connections video on them. They essentially are silica that’s constantly dis/recharging. They’re very energy inefficient but don’t have the same performance limits as compressor based systems.

    I got one earmarked for exactly this before I moved. They’re simple enough I was planning gutting it and adding smarts using ESPHome. But moisture hasn’t been an issue for me so the project is a low priority.

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    6 days ago

    Are you sure it’s 35% ? I’ve found those cheap digital hygrometers to be off by 10-15%.

    I bought a box and some say 10 and some say 20. I ended up buying several different brands and price ranges of hygrometers to try and figure out which ones were correct.

    I use cereal boxes with desiccant and without any active dehumidifier they stay at ~25% despite being frequently opened and closed. So like others suggested, put a large flow-through bin of desiccant in and forget about it.

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      6 days ago

      It’s a compressor, which is probably the problem. I’m using a DH11 on ESPHome, so am pretty confident of the accuracy, it’s down in the bottom center of the cabinet. (I designed these https://nowsci.com/only-sensor)

      Edit: Also, what do you mean by flow-through?

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        The DHT11 has been replaced twice with similarly-priced but more accurate models, first the DHT22 and then the AHT20. In my experience, the AHT20 is a lot better than the DHT22, mainly because its power consumption is far lower, so it doesn’t mess up its readings by getting hot.

        Also, at that size, I’d be very surprised if the dehumidifier has a compressor. It’s much more likely that it’s got a Peltier plate, and they’re not very good. They use a lot of power to develop and maintain a fairly small temperature difference, so if they’re in a confined space, they heat up the air quite a bit, and then the water from their tank will more easily evaporate.

        If you’re willing to spend some money, a solid state ion membrane dehumidifier might be better for a small cabinet than a compressor-based one, as it’ll be easy to ensure the water goes out of the cabinet instead of into a container that can’t be emptied without opening the cabinet and letting more humidity in. They’re definitely not cheap, though. I think they’re still under patent as there’s only one manufacturer that I can find, so maybe they’re the dehumidifier of the future even if they’re not suitable right now.

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          5 days ago

          While I’d rather have 2% accuracy than 5% on paper, it’s been fine, and checking with higher quality sensor has always put me within 1%.

          Also, I mentioned in another comment it was a peltier, and I’d love to do SS but just soooo expensive. :(

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        6 days ago

        Re: flow through

        A mesh like container so all sides are exposed to air. Many 3d printed designs have channels so air can get into the middle of the desiccant container.

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          6 days ago

          Ahh thanks. Also, as a correction, this thing may be a crappy peltier dehumidifier.

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    7 days ago

    I’ve done a similar thing using IKEA Samla Box (fits 6 rolls). With a few boxes of silica gel (dried periodically in my filament dryer) I can get it to stay relatively dry for a few weeks (goes from ~15 to ~25% in a few weeks).

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    I remember an article a few years ago about an experimental tube system that just rapidly dehydrated segments of filament in line on the way to the printer. Was hoping to see a commercial version of something like that by now as it just sounds so efficient. This setup looks extraordinarily unefficient on the other hand. I understand your efforts for better work flow, but to heat and dehumidify this properly will be a significant energy sink.

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      Assuming I can get it working, not really. Your described method would be good for occasional prints, but terrible for higher volumes. Keeping an area at a target humidity (especially a small one) is much more efficient than a constantly running device.

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    7 days ago

    I am no expert, but in my own research for a previous task I had to deal with for work, most everything I saw said that getting below 30-35% for even a small room like a closet was going to be difficult without moving to heavy duty and expensive equipment. I don’t know if there have been improvements in the technology since then (dehumidifiers have definitely gotten much smaller) but you start getting into issues were you are pulling moisture from the surrounding walls and items in the room.
    I suspect in you situation you May be able to make some gains with heat, but I have to wonder if how hot you can go before you start seeing problems with the cabinet itself. I have seen cabinet delaminate just from being in hot garages, so I am not sure how hot you can get.

    • Fmstrat@lemmy.worldOP
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      Yea, I was curious about “limits”. I’d like to be stable at 30% vs 35%, then I can keep the petg and tpu in the dryers and everything else in the cabinet.

      I have a couple of mini heaters I was going to build into chamber heaters for the SV08 Max, so I may stick one of them in there to see what happens.

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      7 days ago

      I’ll do that eventually to help “maintain”, but trying to figure out the active dehumidification without any other variables first.

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    7 days ago

    Wood breathes. You will need something watertight lining the inside. Paint is not enough. 8mm plastic is my first thought - but many plastics also allow moisture through and I’m not sure what is safe. An epoxy finish on the inside might work. But getting a continious layer could be a pain.

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      That is hardly wood. And the coating itself is airtight by itself. Focus on the cracks at the back wall and it shouldn’t be an issue anymore.

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      Hmm had not considered this, but I doubt that’s having an impact on minimum humidity (currently), as that feels like it would impact when the system isn’t running?

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    7 days ago

    How well are those glass panes sealed to the wood? Could silicone the panes in. Doubt it would help you go lower, but I’m curious how much the dehumidifier runs after it gets to 35% to keep it there? I didnt realize they even made dehumidifiers that small, might have to look at them. 🙂

    • Fmstrat@lemmy.worldOP
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      I might give this a shot, but since the humidifier isn’t producing any water, I think I’m at it’s limit wothout changing something in the air.