Kind of surprised it’s only 75000
The petition currently has 80,272 signatures.
I’d sign, but I’ve absolutely lost faith that this government won’t then disclose the list of names to a third party.
They’ve hardly been operating with transparency when it comes to this kind of stuff.
If you are NOT on a government watch list by now you should be ashamed of yourself.
In the same vein as what SeeMarkFly said. If we’re all on a watch list then none of us are.
They only have so many resources to go around.
Authoritarianism thrives on fear and people keeping quiet. Be as vocal as possible and encourage friends and family to do so as well, before it’s too late. The more of us there are, the less repercussions they can bring down upon us.
In solidarity.
It’s a noble sentiment that I’d love to support but historically if you look at countries like Chile, fascists will round up masses of people. I’ve always not understood why anti-fascists don’t plan for contingencies like having to go underground - especially as we can see the way things are travelling in places like the UK.
No need to do their fearmongering for them.
Fascists are never as powerful as they project. Their whole ideology consists of scaring people into line because they don’t have the means to do it any other way. Don’t let the bastards win.
Our strength is in numbers, we outnumber them immensely, not fracturing into individualists in some hope that it will result in self preservation. It’s a stupid tactic that backfires for both the antifascist movement as a whole and individuals.
I don’t disagree with you about how weak fascists are in actuality (especialy before grabbing state control). I’d be really interested to know where in history the “strength in numbers” has defeated either fascists in ascendancy or fascist regimes. Seems that guerilla warfare (or however you want to label it) has been far more decisive. The “workers united will never be defeated” slogan has proved to be… defeated.
Even if there is a investigation, it’ll probably go in a similar direction as the Russia Report a few years ago: stalled, played around like a political football, then forgotten about, or anything meaningful being “out of scope”.
Genuine question, where does Israel get all this money and influence to infiltrate such world powers?
Russia I get, with their population their government has lots of resources and is isolationist.
But then here is Israel, small country, very integrated into the western world; yet can get away with shit that even china can’t pull off (just exaggerating, I’m sure china meddles too).
It’s in the interest of international finance capital to keep the middle east unstable, Israel fulfils that goal.
Genuine question, where does Israel get all this money and influence to infiltrate such world powers?
Well it all started back in the times of the Roman Empire…
(It’s a really long story)
Edit: starting with the money part at least
Theres also the position that many of our current politicians don’t need to be paid off to support israel. Their racism and genocidal beliefs align with the goals of the occupation for free.
The USA ia the main target of their meddling and you literally witness both parties unilaterally aignjng off on agreements to give them billions of dollara all at once in random one off payments.
Also - Epsteim worked with Mossad, which shows that their methods involved blackmailing EVERYONE
You can sign the petition, but you’d be naive to think the UK government will do anything about it.
Never again… Unless you buy the weapons directly from us.
UK government… probably.
Over 75k disappointed Brits
This is likely to go the same way every petition created since the dawn of time will go…
Do you never get a national referendum from getting enough signatures?
There have only ever been three national referendums, none of which were petitioned for. All were the result of backhanded skullduggery.
No 🤡
Scotland and the UK did have referendums though. So politicians can call them at least. I don’t understand the clown emoji, are you calling me a clown? I think it’s a reasonable question given the aformentioned referendum to leave the EU and scotland to remain in the UK, a decision they really bungled.
I wasnt calling you a clown but please show me a referendum which has come from the result of a petition.
Oh in the US here 30 some states have them. It’s how we legalized Marijuana here, soon to legalize mushrooms in some states. We took the drawing of districts out of the hands of lawmakers and gave it to an independant commission, we expanded voting rights, what else, we win progressive initiatives, it’s just we don’t have good progressive candidates, too weak, and not a single white guy amongst them, something is fundamentally broken here politically, but in the late 19th century or so states adopted a lot of this direct democracy to make constitutional amendments, lawmakers can’t (in the states it’s a constitutional amendment, some it’s not, like Florida enfranchised most all felons and lawmakers added restrictions to basically make sure none could vote,) change it without like 3/4 of the legislature.
In my State, Michigan, we have the highest requirement of signatures to get something on the ballot. I forget if it’s even 10% of voters in the state. A group usually pays people to gather them, a couple bucks a piece back last I did it for medical marijuana a long time ago, which was awesome I went barhopping with it, everyone wanted to sign it. Anyway they strike non registered voters so you need like 50% more than the minimum to be safe. The firms that do it had a cheating scandal a few years back and these petitions failed to get enough after turning in all of these bogus signatures.
There is still fuckery, we closed the Wolf Hunt in Michigan, we’ve a few hundred timberwolves back in the upper penninsula, via a petition, and lawmakers passed another version of a wolf hunt with a budget aspect making it unreferendumable. They kept the legalizing weed one off twice through corrupt fuckery in their electoral commission before Washington and Colorado led the way and they let ours through. When we raised the minimum wage in 2008 they used a loophole to pass it through after it was ok’d for the vote with a simple majority in the legislature, but removed the cost of living increase from it, so it was worthless.
Lot’s of fuckery abounds but it’s our only tool to fight these fuckers where we win.
