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I do think people can have an unhealthy mental schema of opposing and defying others, which doesn’t go away in an anarchist society. It’s not nice if, after fully consenting to a schedule of who does the dishes when, you have a panic attack when it’s your turn because now you have to do the dishes.
This schema will tend to trigger more often in hierarchical situations. But even then, it’s better if you defy authority because you want to and you expect things to end well, rather than because you feel like you have no other choice.
That said, the APA is authoritarian garbage and the DSM should not be respected.
It’s not defiant towards authority dictators. It’s a disorder usually diagnosed in children that is given when the child has early psychopathy symptoms. Like breaking the law. Hurting others. Lying excessively. Manipulating others. Destruction of property.
It’s not just defying authority. It’s specifically defying authority in these ways I illustrated.
For instance. A parent tells the child no more video games until they clean their room. The child then destroys the furniture. TV. Throws things and attacks the patent.
An adult example.
Guy at bar who is biligerant is told to leave by the bartender.
They refuse to leave. Break things. Threaten bartender. Throws things. Police have to be called.
Many lay people misunderstand the dsm.
Firstly. Every behavior listed is a normal human behavior but in the extreme. Which is where the confusion comes from.
It’s normal for a kid to get frustrated when told they can’t play their game until they clean their room. It’s not normal for them to destroy the house or attack their parents over it.
If you read a discription in the dsm and think “doesn’t everyone do that?” Then you have misunderstood the criteria.
Your explanation seems to directly contradict @cynar@lemmy.world 's description of someone they know who has the diagnosis. Do you have anything to back up your interpretation?
Uh. Read the dsm. It specifically mentions these things. Those behaviors are called “antisocial”.
Lay people think that means introverted but it doesn’t.
It means behaviors against others that are considered harmful.
As for the other person comment. It’s very likely the person with the disorder is self diagnosed and they misunderstood the condition. And are now going around and claiming they can’t do anything anyone asks because they have a disorder. That sounds made up.
It is not some weird reverse psychology inhibition.
There is no such disorder.
Those behaviors were only included in the DSM-5 and you can still get enough symptoms to qualify without expressing them, and they also overlap with a “fight” trauma response.
And more importantly, the DSM-5 only describes the behaviors of children, not the inner life, coping mechanisms, or explanations of adults.
I have seen how autistic women were treated, how their lived experiences were dismissed for years because their behavior didn’t match that of WEIRD autistic boys under patriarchy. I have seen how trans people were treated, how their lived experiences and scientific research backing them up were dismissed for years because psychiatrists are predominantly WEIRD conservatives. Your argument fits in that same pattern of structural dismissal.
I’m sorry, but your field is rotten. The structures by which you work and the ways you’ve been taught to think cause harm, prioritizing categorization and paternalism over reality. Every good psychologist I’ve worked with treats diagnoses as an arbitrary hoop to jump through, and every bad one has prioritised the protocols and standards over my lived experience. People do good in spite of the DSM, not because of it.
If we manage to stop these disparate forms of hierarchical exploitation from boiling us all to death, the decolonisation of mental wellbeing will continue. You can either continue to be on the side of the colonizer, ordering people how to think about themselves even as we dismantle your authority, or you can turn your criticism constructive. Help build structures that reclaim the good from that outdated field and cooperating with people to self-identify more accurately and more quickly.
You can’t stop us from producing our own medicine. You can’t stop us from calling ourselves what we want. You can’t stop us from bootlegging techniques that help us and adjusting them to our needs. Unless you side with the hierarchical systems that are burning this world alive, then you might have a chance before you burn too.
You say the dsm is garbage and then use diagnosis in it to validate personal subjective feelings you have and diagnose yourself.
There is a lack of self awareness here that you may not be aware of.
Now you’re just making assumptions, mate. I’ve never self-diagnosed. Neither transgender nor neurodiverse are diagnoses, only gender dysphoria and a couple of buckets trying to categorize neurodiversity. I neither know nor care if I “have ADHD”, i just know the meds calm me down despite me not having a diagnosis.
As per my previous comment, psychiatry does contain useful information that can be reclaimed. People identifying with diagnoses except for a personal twist (big O OCD, freezing ODD, euphoria transgender, etc.) is a natural step on the way towards a more true boundary-less understanding of psychology.
Imagine you’ve got a multidimensional non-Euclidean manifold and you want to be able to quickly specify any point on the manifold. It’s non-Euclidean, so parameterization doesn’t easily work. There might be a higher-dimensional Euclidean embedding/mapping but we don’t know it yet. So what do you do in the mean time?
The easiest way we’ve found is to have a set of markers, so that every point in the manifold can be uniquely identified by interpolating or extrapolating from those markers. The DSM diagnoses aren’t optimal, but they are useful as a set of markers that people are familiar with and can interact with the medical system through.
I know someone suffering from it. It got to the point that if you told them to go eat dinner, they then couldn’t, even if they were hungry.
Thankfully, it can be trained out, with time, care, and the cooperation of the sufferer.
ODD is a real thing. While diagnoses can be misused, especially by authoritarian governments, in general, psychs are neither particularly ‘trigger-happy’ about making serious diagnoses like that (especially for things that have no easy treatment, like ODD), nor is that an opinion cultivated in academic psychological literature, which often consists of psychs arguing over what should and should not be counted as a disorder in light of both personal variation and what is actually innate (or developed) vs. evoked by circumstances or valued by society.
Wtf
Authoritarian regimes have a long history of using psychiatric diagnoses to discredit and imprison dissidents. This is where the US are headed right now. They’re already doing it with trans people but they surely won’t stop there.
Member RFK Jr talking about sending the ‘mentally ill’ to forced labor camps as treatment? I member.
Now just diagnose resistance to the regime as a mental illness, and…
similar vein on how slaves wanting to be free was considered a mental disorder
@Deceptichum my students, whom i love, 100% low IQ defiant script-saying, toe-walking, rocking delinquents.
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