• Vik@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    vendor collaboration is difficult to get right. hope it all goes well.

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      2 days ago

      Nah, this is the end of GrapheneOS as we knew it. It’s just going to become corporate spyware now. Sad day.

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    3 days ago

    I wanted to finally buy a pixel 10 this year. I guess that now i will be waiting to buy the real phone.

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    Isn’t Motorola a chinese company?

    It’s hard - to me at least - to believe that Motorola is allowed to provide a device without backdoor(s). What’s the catch here?

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        American is not better. Anybody remember Edward Snowden? I’m sure it’s only gotten worse since then.

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          The US is far, far more of a threat than China even remotely is. That being said, I highly doubt the GOS devs would even consider any collaboration if a backdoor was ever a possibility.

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            The possibility of backdoors is unavoidable, and it’s part of their threat model. It’s why the mobile baseband is isolated, for example.

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            The US is far, far more of a threat than China even remotely is

            If you’re American*

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              or any global north country, honestly, especially in the five eyes

              there’s not much one could do to anger the chinese government enough for them to risk sending agents to kidnap or kill a westerner

              all the US needs is a request to law enforcement

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                or any global north country, honestly, especially in the five eyes

                I dunno what that means. US doesn’t have jurisdiction outside the US, just like China doesn’t have jurisdiction outside of China, so not a whole lot they can do to you. I have heard of Chinese kidnapping their own people who fled to the US, but I’m not sure how true that is.

                all the US needs is a request to law enforcement

                In the US, yes. Not even that, really.

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          Oh yeah, to be clear I was just clarifying the structure. I don’t consider American companies to be any more trustworthy than companies based elsewhere.

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        2 days ago

        So does that mean that collaboration is done with American company and not Chinese company?

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          Simple answer is yes.

          However, Lenovo have full legal and financial control over Motorola. But because Motorola is a subsidiary, it’s legally distinct from its parent company. And because it’s incorporated in the USA it has to be compliant with US law. So, for example, Lenovo is not permitted to compel Motorola to violate US law.

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          For as long as major powers control the production of the majority of computing devices this will be true. But as far as I know there are no short term alternatives for completely open mobile device hardware… so if hardware backdoors are in your threat model then unfortunately mobile devices are not for you…better stick to the very small community of open hardware for laptop/desktop computers for your communication needs.