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I don’t agree with their Uyghur genocide, but here we are.
Yeah it’s a pretty wild claim.
China agreed when they funneled weapons and funds to Iran then Gaza leading up to the music festival attack. China agreed when they vetoed the ceasefire agreement with release of hostages, the only ceasefire the USA would sign off on. China agreed when Iran and Syria were waging war on their own peoples.
China didn’t seem to mind funding and arming extremist militants in Pakistan to attack Pakistan and India. China’s got its fingers in so many pies I’m actually astonished that they’re not on good terms with the Taliban in Afghanistan, I guess they didn’t see a need to support that one particular bloody revolution.
And hey, I don’t like Israel either, Netanyahu should have died and Rabin should have lived in the good timeline, but we can’t support red fascists even if we don’t like the blue ones.
Rabin promised less than a state exactly how the oslo accords are currently implemented. Fuck him too.
Here what the Israeli historian Illan Pappe said
ISM: Yair Lapid, the head of the Ministry of Finance of the new coalition government, stated on 20th May that Israel is not going to stop the colonization of the West Bank or end subsidies for illegal settlers, which in fact will not only continue but increase. Do you think that any switch of parties in power could truly make an impact on this situation?
IP: No. We haven’t had any party or leader different from the others, including Rabin, who became a hero after he was shot. Israelis like Lapid are always busy implementing policies so that the land has no Palestinians – so in this sense Lapid is just continuing what everyone before him was doing. The problem they have is not technical – they know how to do it, they have a script. They do not build new settlements, but they allow the natural growth of the current settlements, while Palestinians are not allowed natural growth. Then they say they’re not building a new settlement, but need to build a new neighbourhood because the settlement population has grown. So you can see from this that they do not have any technical problem, it’s more that they maintain this funny dialogue with the world: “You know that we are colonizing, you know that we are ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, you know that we are keeping them in prison, but still we are playing this game where we are speaking about a peace process.”
It’s extremely easy to verify that Rabin was pro-peace and much better than any PM who came after the Israeli right wing assassinated him. I don’t think that ISM run website you linked to is doing Palestine any favors by standing against any kind of peaceful coexistence.
Ilan Pappé is a respectable Israeli historian. It is pretty clear that Rabin was not pro-peace. You Israel good, Netanyahu bad guys are the one hurting the Palestinian cause. Just because more extremist then him killed him doesn’t mean he was a good israeli leader
His own words
The Jewish people, which has known suffering and pain, has also known how to preserve its faith, its heritage and its tradition during thousands of years of exile and has realized the dream of generations. We have, with our own eyes, been privileged to see the return to Zion, the return of the children to their borders.
after two thousand years, restored to its** lawful owners** – the members of the Jewish people. On its land, we have built an exceptional national home and state.
In the framework of the permanent solution, we aspire to reach, first and foremost, the State of Israel as a Jewish state, at least 80% of whose citizens will be, and are, Jews.
We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six-Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines.
First and foremost, united Jerusalem, which will include both Ma’ale Adumim and Givat Ze’ev – as the capital of Israel, under Israeli sovereignty
East Jerusalem is Palestinian
D. The establishment of blocs of settlements in Judea and Samaria, like the one in Gush Katif.
Judea and Samaria was destroyed and not by the Palestinians. Only the west bank exists and all of it is Palestinian
He supported the colonization and did not support returning all rightful land to Palestinians which is pre-67 borders
Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem significantly accelerated during the years of the Oslo Accord talks
https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pm-rabin-speech-to-knesset-on-ratification-of-oslo-peace-accords
That quote about Palestine is a thousand times better than what Israel is doing now, so again, he was the good timeline and now is the bad timeline.
Nothing but a full sovereign Palestinian state with all it’s right on pre-67 border is acceptable . Not a single country would accept a partial liberation of it’s territory
That statement is no different than calling for war. The enemy of good should never be perfection or you will have neither in the end.
We need to stop repeating CIA propaganda on Lemmy
We need to stop repeating Chinese propaganda on Lemmy.
We need to stop repeating all propagandas including the chinese propaganda
You’re one to talk.
Yes I am . I never whitewashed china and russia
Maybe you should educate yourself on the Uyghurs
Did i deny the uyghurs being opressed?
Everything bad that my government does is only alleged by america
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China
I don’t think the CIA would waste time countering Chinese propaganda like this, stats show propaganda is most effective when targeting people who already lean your way with confirmation bias and least effective when confronting skeptics or critics.
Everything that the news tells us is at least partially propaganda.
I consider propaganda to be lies paid for by the state to further its own interests. Maybe the Chinese news is mostly propaganda by that definition, but not Europe and the west, and certainly not random internet commentators who say “Fuck China.”
That’s a very narrow definition of propaganda. Corporations can serve propaganda to further their own interests.
In the context of a discussion about the CIA and Chinese, I don’t think corporations are really relevant. There aren’t really corporations large enough to compete on a global stage, though they can operate together with an oppressive government.
I think to say that Google and Amazon don’t have more geopolitical sway than some countries is naive.
I don’t agree with them harassing countries in the South China Sea.
