So, preceding to not follow into the same trap as the remainder commenters here have made of addressing the content and not the mod action…
You ban someone for making a comment (because you disagree with them) just to have the discussion continue in another board/community (this thread).
Whats was the point in banning them then?
Just let their comment remain and get down-voted to the floor of the thread - that’s the point of voting on a comment. Now the discussion has been pulled out of the community that had informed subscribers, and into one that has broadly zero overlap with c/palestine.
BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
I am interested in your suggestion that the community downvote this to the bottom of the thread. My instance, on principle, does not do downvotes (there is no downvote button in the Beehaw web interface), so we don’t really have that option.
It feels a bit too reddit-like to have open trolls commenting in our communities, but constantly being downvoted to the bottom of threads. Idk if I like it as a community self-moderation tactic - especially when communities are flinging accusations at each other and people take to simply downvoting things because they disagree, and not on any kind of policies or principles…
First, I’m new to actively using lemmy, so I’m gradually learning the etiquette on here, and how it differs from other forums. Also, I did not know the downvote button is disabled on your instance, so thank you for the context.
It feels a bit too reddit-like to have open trolls commenting in our communities, but constantly being down voted to the bottom of threads
Sure, if they are actual trolls, and we can define that together in this thread or as a community. However, this user was an active commenter in several news/palestine-related communities, and lets just be honest, was not trolling or derailing the discussion. He disagreed with the OP (and to an extent I share a similar view) that Judaism and American Jews have deep sympathies to Israel, and this manifests in material structures in the United States (synagogues, community orgs, PACs, etc)
OKAY PAUSE
if that last statement is ban worthy because its trolling or “anti-semitism” , how the hell are we supposed to actually have this debate? Then this isn’t trolling and this is where active discussion and voting should take place in the thread. Keep in mind, the person who flung accusations was the mod of the community when he said " You’re not an anti-semite are you?"
Thats why I think this is blatant mod abuse because there seems to be this unnecessary over-moderation and that’s exhibited by the guy continuing the convo in this thread which is unrelated to the community. Overall this fractures discussion across the entire website, not just the individual instance.
Last, you’re going to have to prove the commenter has a repeated history of posting out-of-topic or bait. Not just a singular instance of a disagreement in perspective, and calling out a mod for a flimsy argument using his own rhetoric.
Judaism and American Jews have deep sympathies to Israel, and this manifests in material structures in the United States (synagogues, community orgs, PACs, etc)
This is exactly why he got in trouble, because he couldn’t just put the word “most” or “many” in there, and tried to paint all Jewish folks as genocide-supporters, and then doubled down, didn’t seem to understand how the study he cited could be flawed (sure, let anyone self-identify as Jewish and answer hot-button questions in a country where the Christian majority actually are the ones who are insanely Zionist)
Nobody seems content with critically thinking - “who would someone behave in this manner?” is a question you should ask yourself, and “they want to slander Jewish people” is in the range of possible answers. I’m glad to hear that this behavior isn’t typical of the user in question. The mods probably should have warned and muted them on that particular instance, and maybe educated them about refraining from believing and spreading this type of rhetoric on Lemmy. Maybe they wouldn’t be on a reactionary streak and doubling down on their positions if they’d been given a chance to save face…
This is exactly why he got in trouble, because he couldn’t just put the word “most” or “many” in there, and tried to paint all Jewish folks as genocide-supporters
He specifically said 80-90%, he also called them Zionists not genocide supporters which has a broader definition, anywhere from supporting Israeli state in Palestine to believing Jewish people should have some kind of sovereignty.
Nobody seems content with critically thinking - “who would someone behave in this manner?” is a question you should ask yourself
You and the mod are distorting this persons comment from what he said with this manor of thinking. Then you want to block the discussion from even happening that can disqualify it. Just let him get either downvoted to hell or dunked on in the comments. I dont see the point of the intense censorship on behalf of these ten fifty whatever percent of american jews that will be slighted that their religion has been conflated with zionism when there is literally a star of david on the f35 bombing children in now lebanon.
So, preceding to not follow into the same trap as the remainder commenters here have made of addressing the content and not the mod action…
You ban someone for making a comment (because you disagree with them) just to have the discussion continue in another board/community (this thread).
Whats was the point in banning them then?
Just let their comment remain and get down-voted to the floor of the thread - that’s the point of voting on a comment. Now the discussion has been pulled out of the community that had informed subscribers, and into one that has broadly zero overlap with c/palestine.
BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
I am interested in your suggestion that the community downvote this to the bottom of the thread. My instance, on principle, does not do downvotes (there is no downvote button in the Beehaw web interface), so we don’t really have that option.
It feels a bit too reddit-like to have open trolls commenting in our communities, but constantly being downvoted to the bottom of threads. Idk if I like it as a community self-moderation tactic - especially when communities are flinging accusations at each other and people take to simply downvoting things because they disagree, and not on any kind of policies or principles…
First, I’m new to actively using lemmy, so I’m gradually learning the etiquette on here, and how it differs from other forums. Also, I did not know the downvote button is disabled on your instance, so thank you for the context.
Sure, if they are actual trolls, and we can define that together in this thread or as a community. However, this user was an active commenter in several news/palestine-related communities, and lets just be honest, was not trolling or derailing the discussion. He disagreed with the OP (and to an extent I share a similar view) that Judaism and American Jews have deep sympathies to Israel, and this manifests in material structures in the United States (synagogues, community orgs, PACs, etc)
OKAY PAUSE
if that last statement is ban worthy because its trolling or “anti-semitism” , how the hell are we supposed to actually have this debate? Then this isn’t trolling and this is where active discussion and voting should take place in the thread. Keep in mind, the person who flung accusations was the mod of the community when he said " You’re not an anti-semite are you?"
Thats why I think this is blatant mod abuse because there seems to be this unnecessary over-moderation and that’s exhibited by the guy continuing the convo in this thread which is unrelated to the community. Overall this fractures discussion across the entire website, not just the individual instance.
Last, you’re going to have to prove the commenter has a repeated history of posting out-of-topic or bait. Not just a singular instance of a disagreement in perspective, and calling out a mod for a flimsy argument using his own rhetoric.
This is exactly why he got in trouble, because he couldn’t just put the word “most” or “many” in there, and tried to paint all Jewish folks as genocide-supporters, and then doubled down, didn’t seem to understand how the study he cited could be flawed (sure, let anyone self-identify as Jewish and answer hot-button questions in a country where the Christian majority actually are the ones who are insanely Zionist)
Nobody seems content with critically thinking - “who would someone behave in this manner?” is a question you should ask yourself, and “they want to slander Jewish people” is in the range of possible answers. I’m glad to hear that this behavior isn’t typical of the user in question. The mods probably should have warned and muted them on that particular instance, and maybe educated them about refraining from believing and spreading this type of rhetoric on Lemmy. Maybe they wouldn’t be on a reactionary streak and doubling down on their positions if they’d been given a chance to save face…
He specifically said 80-90%, he also called them Zionists not genocide supporters which has a broader definition, anywhere from supporting Israeli state in Palestine to believing Jewish people should have some kind of sovereignty.
You and the mod are distorting this persons comment from what he said with this manor of thinking. Then you want to block the discussion from even happening that can disqualify it. Just let him get either downvoted to hell or dunked on in the comments. I dont see the point of the intense censorship on behalf of these ten fifty whatever percent of american jews that will be slighted that their religion has been conflated with zionism when there is literally a star of david on the f35 bombing children in now lebanon.
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