The dude has literally dozens of easily discoverable quote-bites of him excitedly expressing how much he loves killing, can’t get enough of it, wants to get back to doing it asap. How does he pass any smell test at all for anybody who is nominally on the left? I just don’t get it, I feel like he should be seen as so rotten that touching him would taint you (looking at popular youtubers and twitch personalities).
People don’t just change everything about themselves on a dime in their late 30s. In a person’s 20s they might take 3 years to have a substantial transformation.
In his campaign he is literally just saying shit. There’s an opening to the left of the Democratic center and he’s leveraging it. There’s nothing to betray besides very shallow words; he’s not a part of any organization and has no political history beyond volunteering for the campaign that had the largest ever number of volunteers. To any longtime and sincere observer of politics, this looks like opportunism. He is oriented towards the interests of the military and of business owners. Even AOC and Bernie are far to the left of him.
Depending on low-wage employment for a living for several years, or some equivalent experience of subordination, is what gives you class consciousness in a country full of temporarily inconvenienced millionaires. Having a high-tipped position for a few seasons, or taking over a 3-employee business, does not suffice to align you with the interests of the American working class.
I don’t live in Maine. If I did, I would support someone else’s primary campaign. If Platner won, I’d hold my nose and vote for him over Collins, but not expect anything.
Your fixation on working class cred is really bizarre. I generally agree with everything else you’re saying though.
No wonder about that, I’m a socialist.
I may be a weird kind of anarchist who wants to do a cultural revolution around an emergent class of people who escape debt and wage slavery by forming cooperatives around housing and work and collective defense.
But I am still a socialist through and through: I see the world through the lens of class; I know that people’s habits and loyalties are mostly a function of what their direct material interests are and what they’re personally accustomed to; I lend more credence to what people do rather than what they say.
And Platner’s record is as a chauvinistic war criminal who happens to have said some progressive things in the past few years. As a US senator he will serve MIC interests, small business interests, probably national-bourgeois interests, while being pro-LGBT+, pro-universal healthcare, possibly pro-union, and possibly less interventionist in foreign policy.
I’m a socialist as well, but I don’t see how you can conclusively and definitely say that you know how he is going to vote on every issue. That is why its strange to me. You seem to think that his past entirely dictates his world view, and that people cannot change their world view over time. That being a small business owner who is reliant on the teat of the government to function is not enough for you to take his claims of change seriously.
All I am saying is that you don’t know, and neither do I. We will both find out, but to claim that you know solely based on his career path (which is far closer to working class compared to a lot of other politicians out there), is odd to me. Time will tell.
You’re being a bit obtuse here. Do you trust everything that comes out of a politician’s mouth, or do you have a better way of assessing it?
I am talking about likelihood, not absolute certainty. Of course anything is possible. But we understand the world through a lens of what is most likely. We know that the 3 dice you roll are probably not going to all land on 6, we know that the S. aureus that get the same methicillin treatment in hospitals are probably going to develop an allele that makes them immune to it, we know that the big companies are probably going to merge and lay off employees in the quest to become more profitable, and we know that politicians on the campaign trail are probably lying. We don’t make projections based on vibes or what an individual says, we make projections based on how we know the world works.
You sound like a new leftist. I was one of those, once. I remember listening to what Obama was saying on the campaign trail about ending the war on terror, closing the Guantanamo Bay facility, and so on. I thought a “middle-class” PoC community organizer had a good shot at doing what he said he’d do.
I am not a new leftist. I have been an ansoc since before I could drink, which was almost 20 years ago at this point. What I am is a desperate leftist. I see that we have gone off the political cliff. That the purity politics of yesteryear are exactly why we ended up with outright fascism. Which I guess is good if you subscribe to accelerationism, but bad it you care about the actual well being of people today. So while the idea of the perfect leftist with ideal and consistent history of working class experience and community organizing is a wonderful ideal to strive for, it’s not the reality of the political situation we live in today. There are going to be some people (I have seen it in my conservative leaning parents for example) that have very recently awoken to the realities of oligarchy and fascism that we currently live under, and who should be welcomed to the fold, rather than cast aside.
Sounds a lot like
We don’t need to invite the fascist base into the big tent party. We have a model now, DSA has been a rising force for 8 years, and they recently had one of their people (someone with a career at a housing advocacy nonprofit) upset a political insider to win the election in a major US city. There is no need to backtrack from that.
You don’t win elections by taking stances in the middle of the pack, you win them by galvanizing people and offering something worth striving for. You mobilize the disenfranchised people, and you don’t pander to your enemies who are going to call you a communist amd oppose you no matter what you do. Otherwise, you’re effectively no different from a Third Way Democrat.
Sucks that you’re desperate. You’ll find an antidote to this in building tangible pieces of local power with people who are committed to egalitarian anti-capitalism. Half my city council is people I campaigned for, I’m part of multiple anarchist networks, and they have tons of lands and urban spaces that can accommodate people to build a real movement where we can contest political questions instead of begging for them.
What stance has Platner taken that is “in the middle of the pack” exactly? This is where I think the disconnect is. You are convinced he is a sheep dog, and I am not. Neither of us can prove our points one way or another, so I’m really not sure why this conversation is continuing.
Do you really read the “Issues” page of a campaign and say “wow, I’m sire they will do everything they say they will”?
Congratulations, you’re a liberal.