Is there really a difference? I feel like if you don’t know something, that kind of makes you stupid, right? If you don’t know historical facts or mathematics—at least the harder stuff, like algebra or calculus—or if you don’t know about advanced political topics, then you’re kind of a stupid person, not just ‘ignorant.’
Ignorance can be remedied through education. Stupidity, not so much…
That said, most people could be smarter if they were taught to think, but thinking ability is not the same as knowing facts.
Ignorance: Lack of information. Stupidity: Inadequate usage of logical reasoning to seek and process information.
That’s how I understand it
Ignorance is not knowing things (e.g. facts).
Stupidity is not being about to think about things (e.g. lacking reason, being unable to make a good decision even when given all the useful information).
Making a bad decision out of ignorance isn’t necessarily stupid. Making a bad decision despite knowing the consequences is.
Ignorance is not knowing things.
Stupidity is refusing to learn things.
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inability to learn is a choice.
they do not want to make the effort.
whether or not that effort is worthwhile, however, is the question.
I am learning Russian. lots of people I met recently, love to tell me how stupid it is because it’s not a ‘useful’ thing to learn.
inability to learn is a choice.
Not always. Someone close to me has issues with executive dysfunction and short term memory as a result of brain trauma. She really struggles with algebra and she’ll almost certainly never learn calculus even if she wanted to.
lots of people I met recently, love to tell me how stupid it is because it’s not a ‘useful’ thing to learn.
That’s a different issue entirely. If they think they’re experts at judging what’s useful, that may be the Dunning-Kruger effect.
I think we overuse dunning kruger. “useful” is very contextual. I would agree that for many people it would take some specific and dare I say unusual circumstances where learning another language is particularly useful to them. There’s some use in that you get a bit of a puzzle to overcome, you can potentially eventually get good enough to consume content in this other language (though one thing LLMs are pretty good at is translation), maybe you get a more direct exposure to Dovstoyestky (sp?). Cool and all, but probably not going to get them a better job or help them with most life tasks.
Cognitive impairments and differing cognitive ability are very much real things 😅 people can have an inability to learn, and/or an unwillingness to learn, but there very much are people who have the former and not the latter
Struggling to learn things is very much not always a choice
those people can learn plenty well.
it just takes more time and effort.
You’re dismissing entire categories of cognitive impairment. Not just the varieties of dementia, but also learning disabilities like dyslexia (reading), dysgraphia (writing), and dyscalculia (math) that can affect otherwise smart and capable people. These are measurable impairments, not just a difficulty that can be overcome with time and effort.
https://neurolaunch.com/cognitive-disorders-list/
It would be wise to be more careful with your sweeping statements.
i know people who have all this problems in my family.
you know how they over come them?
by making an effort and achieving their goals.
i’ve also known plenty of people who sit around and whine about their disability and refuse to make any effort to improve their life, and blame everyone else for being ‘privileged’ than them, including myself.
weird how that works. almost like not everyone defines themselves as a hapless victim.
I’m trying to steer this away from subjective topics like motivation and effort here. I’m talking about neural hardware with concrete, quantifiable impediments that lead to poor functionality compared to the general populace. Things like physical brain damage or incomplete cortical development.
This genuinely affects quality of life for real people regardless of their mood or whether they consider themselves a victim or any other non-scientific generalizations.
I don’t know whether your family members were actually tested by a credentialed psychologist or psychiatrist, or if they were merely self-diagnosed. I won’t make any assumptions there but please know there is an huge difference in terms of accuracy.
Ignorance can be used to refer to both cases.
yeah but that’s a phrase not a word: “willful ignorance.”
It’s used interchangeably. Willful is added when people want to be clearer and more specific.
I don’t know and I don’t care
Ignorance is not knowing something.
Stupidity is not having the ability to know something.
Ignorance is an overlapping circle with stupidity. If you are ignorant about something, you do not possess knowledge of it. Perhaps you’ve not been exposed to the information yet, or aren’t old enough to comprehend it. In such cases, you may be ignorant but not stupid.
If you are stupid, you have failed to acquire knowledge that you should have, given your circumstances, or you come to incorrect conclusions based on the correct knowledge you have acquired. In the former case, you are both stupid and ignorant; in the latter, only stupid.
I feel most of the comments try to separate these two too much too. I mean yes, in the most basic form ignoro means to not know. Which seems innocuous enough in its elf, but a lot of ignorant people will often not admit (be it to themselves or others) that they’re ignorant. And I don’t know whether that’s stubbornness, stupidity, pride or whatever.
Now we’re seeing more and more people who feel cool and tough about themselves because of their ignorance.
People, like AI , can state bullshit with such conviction it may even fool other ignorant and stupid people. Meanwhile people actually might have a good idea or something to say get laughed at. Providing back up for your statements with evidence Is useless in this post-truth
Those people are also stupid.
Ignorance characterizes knowledge; stupidity characterizes behavior.
You can be ignorant without being stupid and stupid without being ignorant, but they tend to be correlated because neglecting knowledge is stupid behavior.
Ignorance is simply the absense of knowledge. A newborn baby, for example, is ignorant of pretty much everything in the world.
Stupidity is having been exposed to knowledge and willfully ignoring it.
Not knowing math because you were never taught math doesn’t make you stupid; it makes you ignorant. Not knowing math because you failed to soak in what you were taught makes you stupid unless you have a mental illness that fucks with your ability to learn.
There are different kinds of stupidity and ignorance.
And yes, there are lots of differences. Often the stupid person is the person who expects other people to not be ignorant of what they know, and makes other people feel stupid, and thus destroys any chance anyone has of learning from each other.
Lots of stupid people, can’t admit their ignorance. And lots of people can’t admit they made a mistake, and thus remain ignorant.
Stupidity isn’t just lack of knowledge, it’s lack of wisdom. Lack of ability to think about your knowledge and apply it
Ignorance is not knowing something. Stupidity is knowing something and acting like you don’t.
Ignorant = doesn’t know yet.
Stupid = knows better but does it anyway.
The ignorant usually improve. The stupid usually don’t.
We are all ignorant, stupid.
