As someone who spent the better part of my afternoon dealing with this nonsense thanks to an unexpected power outage:
I’m not crying, you’re crying.
“I haven’t rebooted my linux box in 2 years!” (Because I am terrified to)
God, I know they’re expensive but uninterruptible power supplies often really pay for themselves.
I have a UPS LMAO. Normally it prevents these types of issues but my computer was in standby when the power loss happened and did not like it.
Biggest. Oof. Possible.
Hats off for this poor soul.
Are þey? Expensive?
That’s really only enough power for some small devices like a Router/Modem and maybe a Pi-Hole or two.
For something that runs my desktop for 10 mins before power-down it’s about $200, bare mimum.
As someone whose monthly income is about double $200, I’d say that’s pretty damn expensive.
I’ve been told that using linux similar to abusive relationships.
I wouldn’t know — I never had relationships.
“Linux just always works”
“It’s easy for everyone.”
Look, I love Linux, but I have been dicking with monitors that won’t go to sleep for two fucking LTS releases and literally nobody is working on it, the person who originally added DCC/CI support never developed it more, nor did the maintainers they passed it off to. They even showed up in a thread about this fucking problem mentioning how they never developed it further! So I’m sending my error reports to??? Nobody? Since it doesn’t seem to be a priority for literally anyone and I am too fuck stupid to fix it myself.
So, before they just wouldn’t turn off. Now they turn off and fucking CRASH the power management subsystem about 15 times until they come back on and dont go off again.
But yeah, sure, Linux just works guys. It’s easy for everyone.
I have been running Linux servers for almost 10 years and went full Linux on my desktop several years ago after dual-booting for the better part of a decade. I’m not some newbie asshat.
But I’m told shit like this never happens! What a crock of shit. if you’re an edge case everyone just thinks you must not exist.
EDIT: To be clearer, the issue isn’t the lack of solution (devs work hard), the issue is how many people will act like problems like these don’t exist and shit all over someone for saying “maybe we shouldn’t just slap it on Grandma’s computer, because sometimes there are issues” and jerks going “THERE’S NEVER ISSUES MY GRANDMA USES IT FINE!!!”
I want to switch to Linux so badly. I’ve been meaning to do it for years. But all I do on my PC is game. I don’t use it for anything else except storing music files. When I turn it on, I’m trying to escape from life. I don’t want to tweak shit, I don’t want to troubleshoot, and I don’t want to have to look anything up or get a home degree in computer science to figure out how to run my computer. I just want to load my games and play and not have to fiddle with compatibility or making it work. I’m still on Windows 10 and I keep it disconnected from the Internet unless I’m playing a game that needs a connection or I’m backing up my saves. So far it works for me and I don’t know what I’ll do when that stops. Eventually I’ll probably switch my laptop to Linux and maybe if that goes well I’ll get brave and do my PC.
do people really say “linux always works”?
Linux always works…
Until it doesn’t and then it really doesn’t
If you really want me too I can go digging for my downvoted comments from six months ago where all I was doing was politely cautioning people against thinking Linux is a cure-all, I can go find it for you. There were numerous people in that thread all claiming as much. “It’s easier than Windows now!!!” yeah, sure.
“it’s easier than windows now” is not “linux always works”
The Linux community could be studied for why people are so ignorant towards their own abilities; once they learned it many of them forget how skilled they’ve actually become and expect everyone else to also get on their level, or at least to aim for it (and those who don’t shall stay on Windows. Fuck, I despise that sentiment).
Surely it would be correct to say that many Linux distros are by now friendlier to the user than Windows (not that hard given how hostile Windows is). But for them to truly be easier they still miss at a minimum:
- More PCs with it as a pre-installed option
- A full pre-installed GUI config suite (incl. Bootloader, systemd, all of it)
- Self-healing routines. Right now more and more ship with snapshots, but a failed update can still induce bootloops that require manual intervention
- Nvidia drivers that work as reliable as AMDs for everyone (please don’t comment “but works for me”, I know some of you got lucky)
Whenever I talk to people about Linux I try to never say it’s “Easier” or “Easy” when comparing to Windows but that it is different. How you use the computer and configure stuff is different.
Things like Bazzite for gaming or other CoreOS based distros are great for having a stable ground for people who don’t want to mess with their stuff too much or tinker and I’ve heard a lot of good opinions and experiences about them as long as the CoreOS derive suit that audience to a tee in the first place.
Whenever you want to go slightly off rails for the most common person who don’t have the experience of Linux but comes from a Windows or Mac background it does indeed become hard in the sense of being “different”.
But a lot more so if you have incompatible hardware. You have to hope that you either have a laptop or computer with commonly used hardware by other Linux devs or you’re out of luck and have to dig through specialised packages to try and install.
Luckily from my experience it becomes a lot less and less that does happen with newer-ish hardware. But not unheard of sadly.
I had a coworker who always said “just use linux” when something didn’t work on a windows machine. So he implied linux alwats works (there is no war in ba sing se)
isn’t he trying to say linux fixes the specific problem you were having when he said it? sounds like you are making assumptions.
He was partly right, of course, and partly it was actually a gimmick. He’d always offer you his boot usb when you complained about your computer in any way.
There must be something to do about it… the ffmpeg quote “talk is cheap, send patches” comes to mind. That sort of reaction from the developers is pretty awful, they’re definitely begging for someone to do the work in their place.
They could be overworked? That’s a common affliction in open source, and from a few snippets I’ve read it seems that the kernel heavily prioritizes code proofreaders/mergers over code writers.
I mean, I’m not trying to be dismissive of the hard work the devs do at all.
My real issue is with the endless “It’s easier than Windows now lolz!” I’ve literally been browbeaten and downvoted I don’t know how many fucking times by asshats PROMISING me that problems like this don’t fucking exist and it’s FINE to load up Linux for fucking Grandma. Oh so when the power subsystem keeps crashing and Grandma doesn’t know how to send an error report, it’s just fine?
The issue isn’t the lack of solution, the issue is Linux afficianodos acting like real problems like these are bullshit and it’s child’s play to make the jump from Windows/macOS to Linux.
And it’s not! Linux is demands more of you! It doesn’t baby you or do it for you. The last ten years have been nothing but research and figuring shit out. Windows and mac treat users like babies and Linux treats users like adults and it’s not an easy transition for a lot of folks. Windows takes your agency, Linux demands your agency.
Sorry for the rant, I just want people to recognize Linux still has it’s quirks and that’s fine but acting like it’s for everyone is a fucking joke and a crock of shit.
Oh, we doing “what doesn’t work for you” comment section? Count me in!
My LG TV consistently broken on multiple amd devices on linux. Something to do with how LG implemented HDMI protocol and how AMDGPU driver percepts it. I think it have something to do with color bit depth, cause all DEs allow to set 16 bit color (which is insane, not supported by any software nor my hardware and shouldn’t be a allowed as option without some special flags in my opinion) but like, there no protection and some DE/WM even defaults to max available bit depth, which in turn straight up doesn’t work and result in black screen.
Windows or nvidia — those work fine.
Another pain in the ass for me — connecting dualsense controller via bluetooth. It connects, then just disconnects. There a workaround that includes fetching it’s ID via terminal, then using commands to connect and entrust that device. After that it connects fine. Until you need to reconnect it, that is, cause it stops being recognized. Apparently that was fixed like, a year ago. Yeah, right.
Another pain for me would be steam client on wayland, but Valve finally started working in that direction so I will hold my complains for now.
Another pain in the ass for me — connecting dualsense controller via bluetooth. It connects, then just disconnects. There a workaround that includes fetching it’s ID via terminal, then using commands to connect and entrust that device. After that it connects fine. Until you need to reconnect it, that is, cause it stops being recognized. Apparently that was fixed like, a year ago. Yeah, right.
Well uhh, guess there go my plans to eventually get a dualshock controller…
Actually, I think dualshock works, it’s dualsence that have issues. Also, it works okay (I tested) in CachyOS, so whatever settings they made to udev rules or whatever — fixed it. Or they may just used old version of bluez, which is also a workaround, but you need to install insecure and 2 years old version at this point.
Also-also, it works fine via USB.
Also-also, it works fine via USB
Oh I mean I can live with that.
Honestly, if you can’t fix it yourself, if you can pay someone to fix it and submit pr to upstream, it would be the best possible route. Everyone’s happy.
