To each their own, but I find this decision really misguided.

It’s her money, not mine, so whatever, but l do not expect her to turn a profit in, rather the opposite.

In my view, the cross section of “IfR” users and people willing to subscribe monthly is rather small (especially if the money mostly goes to reddit - assuming I could afford it, I, for instance, would rather fund an open system like Lemmy).

And if Apollo’s dev Christian Selig decided that it wasn’t worth it with an already established paying user base, who already has a strong culture of subscriptions and exaggerated pricings, and one of the highest volume of users, at what probably was the peak usage of the platform; I don’t see how a small app like IfR can survive.

That, or Christian made a pretty expensive mistake…

  • ltt@lemmy.ml
    2·
    2 years ago

    Subscription with less features (no nsfw). That’s a no from me. I will not be using reddit on mobile.

  • 640kb@lemmy.ml
    2·
    2 years ago

    That, or Christian made a pretty expensive mistake…

    I wouldn’t put a lot pass /u/spez, including offering special deals on API pricing. Especially if he thinks it would make Christian Selig look bad.

    It’s precisely the kind of thing a lying, gaslighting and vindictive /u/spez would do.

  • gfrewqpoiu@lemmy.world
    1·
    2 years ago

    And even with that subscription, you still get locked out of any post or subreddit that is marked NSFW, which will now be even more since subreddits are still protesting the changes.

      • Moonrise2473@feddit.it
        1·
        2 years ago

        Yes and they’re already blocking mobile web access to most porn subreddit. Only from their app, for “safety” 😉

      • SSTF@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        Ever since the first pricing announcement, they said they’d lock out NSFW. Originally they said it would just be porn, but when asked how the API would differentiate different types of NSFW Reddit never replied.

        When mods using 3PA asked how they were supposed to remove NSFW posts on non-NSFW subreddits, the Reddit reply was the posters shouldn’t be doing that. Yeah.

        • ira@lemmy.ml
          2·
          2 years ago

          Right now nobody even knows which ones will be blocked or not because it’s hardly visible at the moment. It’s going to be an absolute clusterfuck once people start realizing their subreddits are improperly categorized as NSFW and are completely blocked from the API.

          If it’s the same as the mobile website, then new/small subreddits are blocked too for being “unreviewed”.

  • jmsw22@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    2 years ago

    Are there price details yet? Christian was talking about $5 still not breaking even so I’d be interested to see where they’ve landed.

    • Noxvento@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      I read that it should be between 10-15 dollars. It’s way too expensive, it’s a shame.

      • jmsw22@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Yikes. That’s more than most streaming services. No one is paying that for Reddit access

    • jonne@infosec.pubEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      I don’t think there’s any way you could economically run a 3rd party app with the new API pricing. When the Apollo developer did the math it looked very sensible, and IMHO there’s a huge downside to miscalculating the pricing (eg. underestimating the API usage of power users). I wish them luck, but this is probably going to end up pushing this developer into a financial hole, even discounting the extra dev work needed.

  • fancyError@lemmy.fmhy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    I think the best thing to do if you want to continue using Infinity would be to just compile your own APK with your own API key.

    I’ve never used android studio before but didnt take me very long to work out how, and it all seems to be working.

    You only need to change a couple of settings and about 3 lines of code.

    • 7heo@lemmy.mlOP
      11·
      2 years ago

      You don’t even need android studio. You can edit the files with anything and just compile the apk with any valid android compiler. But yeah it ain’t that hard. The question remains: do you want to be using reddit? ;)

    • Einderjam@iusearchlinux.fyi
      0·
      2 years ago

      Someone made a Google collab notebook that takes your API keys as an input, takes care of the compilation and offers you a download link to get your apk. Zero knowledge needed!

      • fancyError@lemmy.fmhy.ml
        0·
        2 years ago

        I did try that method but for some reason it wouldn’t install. Seemed like it was conflicting with an already installed app (had already uninstalled it) so by using Android studio I could change the package name at the same time.

        Also did see some people mention it might be a bad idea to give your API key out to randos on the internet which is fair enough.

        • Einderjam@iusearchlinux.fyi
          0·
          2 years ago

          Giving out such an API key is essentially what the infinity dev does, up until the 1st of July at least.

          Reviewing the colab’s code, I did not find anything susceptible to leak your API key (or other info) to the author.

          However, I have also seen users offering to build apks for others (which implies giving out API keys on top of installing software from a random guy). That seems indeed very dangerous.

          • fancyError@lemmy.fmhy.ml
            1·
            2 years ago

            Yea thats true, and tbf I did give them mine and i’ve not had my identity stolen as of yet lol.

            The main reason I did mine manually was that I was getting a conflict error when installing so i wanted to change the package name too.

            I ended up basicly using the Collab thing as a guide on what to change so it did come in handy.

  • darknavi@vlemmy.net
    1·
    2 years ago

    Christian already had paid subscriptions he’d have to contend with. A much harder problem.

    • chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.netEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      Apollo users tends to browse and interact with Reddit more than other platforms, too, so the per user cost is much higher.

  • gigachad@feddit.de
    1·
    2 years ago

    cross section of “IfR” users and people willing to subscribe monthly is rather small

    Absolutely. I used Infinity for years now because it’s open source and on F-Droid. I used it to get away from Google and the Reddit App. Donating for Infinity’s developer? Sure thing. Paying money only to finance reddits API policy? For sure not.

    • Altair@vlemmy.net
      1·
      2 years ago

      I don’t think most users will understand where their money is actually going…

      • 7heo@lemmy.mlOP
        1·
        2 years ago

        Which is going to be even better of an experience for IfR’s dev: “why is your app so expensive?”, “We pay SO MUCH and still have bugs…”, “Hey, with what I pay you, I sure would expect the feature I requested to be implemented already”. Oh boy, what fun. My only regret is that this probably isn’t going to be public, because I can definitely afford popcorn. 🙃

        • gylotip@lemmy.ml
          1·
          2 years ago

          Someone should tell the developer to not do that. They should just shut down their app.

  • ira@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    And what you’re going to find too is that as the sub price goes up, the users who use it the least (generating less API costs) get priced out first. In other words, the average cost per user increases because the users who are willing to pay more are the ones who are generating more costs. If 75% of users stop using it because of the subscription cost, the API costs won’t fall by anywhere close to 75%.

  • 𝕙𝕖𝕝𝕡@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    It’s 100% clear that Reddit is trying to kill off third party apps completely so that they can facefuck you with ads and other garbage. The Apollo dev saw the writing on the wall. I can’t blame other app devs for trying to squeeze a bit more livelihood out of this, but hopefully they’ve realized that they need to move on asap. In the end, it’s a great reminder to not build your business on someone else’s platform, even if they’re “cool”.

  • Rogue1633@discuss.tchncs.de
    1·
    2 years ago

    I’m generally willing to pay for a service (I donate to Open Source Projects I regularly use) because of course there are server costs, development costs, etc. But in this case and after all that Reddit has done to its user base it would be a very bad signal to give them money for it… I like Infinity for reddit and would love to have an Infinity for Lemmy

    • Pechente@lemmy.ml
      1·
      2 years ago

      The other point for me is that reddit has been getting shittier long before the API change. Forcing you to use their crappy app when you just clicked a link on mobile, all this weird avatar and award stuff. The weird chat that got bolted onto their message system, yet keeping the two seperate?

      There’s no way I will pay for that.

      • chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.netEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        Did you know, there’s actually 3? PM, Chat and Legacy Chat… whatever the heck differentiates the last two is frankly beyond me, a 12+ yrs old Reddit user…

  • OrkneyKomodo@latte.isnot.coffee
    1·
    2 years ago

    It’s ‘adapt or die’ at the moment for 3rd party Reddit apps. I was kind of hoping that the developer would pivot to Lemmy or add Lemmy functionality to the app. Infinity was my go-to app before the apocalypse.

  • Einar@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    I would consider paying, but giving money to support Reddit? With its current attitude? It is a moral choice rather than a financial one.