No bro, just no.

This makes sense to me in theory but it’s very black and white. How does this apply to the thirteen year old in the story? He should have known not to believe the incel bullshit fed to him on the internet? He had a mother and a sister, so he should have known it was wrong to objectify women despite the constant stream of hypersexualized content in all media everywhere all the time? If not the girl who bullied him, was it inevitable that he’d eventilually stab or shoot someone because he had a “fucked up personality”?

“…ultimately the individual needs to take presponsibility for anything to change” doesn’t make sense to me when it comes to a 13 year old alone in his bedroom with a firehose of mysogny and twisted anti-logic.

Which I guess just further proves that this has absolutely nothing to do with “boo hoo I’m poor” and a lot more to do with having a fucked up personality.

I don’t like this tho. The hypothetical incel thinks he is the victim, and while he should take responsibility for his misogyny, this just flips all the blame onto him and say “No, it’s your fault because of your fucked up personality”. Someone still gets shot or stabbed.

Careful, Archarnian. That sounds like anti-capitalist talk.

Yes that’s definitely an issue.

Still, it seems clear to me that for many, (like the kid in the story whose mind was poisoned even before his first attempt) the biggest barrier to achieving relationship bliss with someone special is the belief that it’s simply not possible, and all the attendant self reinforcing red pill misogynistic bullshit beliefs one finds online.

One mustn’t forget Jlo’s informative musical statement: “even if you were broke, my love don’t cost a thing”.

Yes I think the disappearance of third places has a lot to do with it.

Ok, but when I was both unemployed and absolutely broke af I picked wildflowers off the railroad tracks and brought them to the woman I was into. I said, “Here’s some pretty flowers for a pretty girl”. I had no car. I had a shitty $50 hohner plywood guitar with a broken bridge that I played and sang “you are so beautiful”.

Its 12 years later and that woman still makes me the best goddamn sandwiches I have ever ate in my life.

Are people watching TV shows and old movies thinking this is real-life, and the only way to get a girl is to take her out in an expensive car for a fancy dinner because this is what “everyone” does? That’s not reality.

If we can think of racism as believing ridiculous and false stereotypes about people, this incel business seems like a similar kind of thing. Believing all this 80/20 red pill Chad/Stacey nonsense is no different from thinking Jews have infiltrated all banking and media to keep you poor and ignorant. Believing wealthy high-status men have a bigger dating pool because women prefer them is just like thinking black people can’t swim or Mexicans are lazy.

And yet, I have seen places of abject poverty where people sing to eachother and sing together, they have joys and romance. Dirt poor people are making sweet love together and having kids and I don’t know how but they just keep on going.

So the economy is part of it, yes, but poverty isn’t a barrier to gettin some lovin, because it doesn’t cost anything to get a woman’s attention.

There must be more to the story, there is something else going on with our culture and our society that makes it seem impossible.

Ok thanks for straightening me out. I realize I was looking at this: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/most-wanted

All i saw was “Most Wanted” and apparently ignored everything else.

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This post inspired me to go and look at the fbi’s most wanted list and I shit you not, there’s no violent killers, there is a long list of people wanted for fraud, wire fraud, bank fraud, money laundering, fraudulent investment schemes, tax evasion, etc. It made me think: hey, wasn’t the president convicted of fraud? And tax evasion? I’m pretty sure.

So if the dept of education doesn’t exist anymore does that mean federal student loans don’t exist anymore and don’t have to be paid anymore?

Edit: The comment I replied to was removed, so my sarcasm seems out of place without context. I have removed that reply.

I will instead say this: before the election I complained that there was no viable anti-genocide voting option, and before I got downvoted into oblivion I was told “well, you can’t get everything you want in politics”. I held my nose and voted Harris, thinking maybe the democrats could be pressured.

Well here we are. The whole fuckin thing makes me want to cry.

Don’t.

The liberals are certainly not my comrades.

You can absolutely make rhe case that the origin of the current homelessness crisis goes further back, but it is undeniable that Reagan accelerated the process beyond any other set of post war policies.

You can also point to some short term benefits from that administration but you don’t mention that Reagan (and the party of fiscal responsibility) increased the federal debt from $738 billion to $2.1 trillion, thus transforming the USA from the worlds largest creditor to the worlds largest debtor.

Since Reagan, many people who called themselves conservatives and those who called themselves liberals both embraced neoliberal policies, and some benefited a lot. The long term consequences we see are dissapearing middle class, ever increasing income inequality and record levels of homelessness.

It also seems like no particular person or party is really to blame, these are just the natural results of late stage capitalism, invisible hand of the market and all that.

Good.point.

This is the same reason I don’t trust any Italians from Rome. Those Romans are always going around waging wars of conquest, demanding tributes, look what they did to Carthage! I still hold them dang Romans responsible for all those crucifixions. Horrible!

And don’t even get me started on those Hittites! Constantly conquering people, they had slaves too! Just as bad as the democrats if not worse. Whenever I meet an Assyrian I like to personally thank them for taking care of those Hittite bastards.

Maybe I deserved that. But come to my house we will play some groovy bongo rhythms and I’m sure you will have a good time.

Great question. It turns out protesting doesn’t seem to have that much effect, unless a lot more people participate.

Yes let’s be honest. Your concern for immigration is really just a cover for your racism, isn’t it? Yeah I thought so.