Lol, wtf is “westsplaining?”

The point is that there’s no such thing as a “tankie bar” because “tankies” aren’t bigots who drive away marginalized people the way Nazis do. We have similar demographics to Reddit since most people come from there. If there’s anyone driving off minorities, it’s the liberals bringing their prejudices and not the “tankies” who created the space.

For example, there are some people around here posting anti-immigrant, zionist comments, whining about “woke” and even going so far as to minimize the AfD.

The more it drops, the more iconic the song becomes.

Part of the problem there is that they’re vassals of the US so unless they change that relationship somehow, they’re tied to US foreign policy. And the US loves making enemies. Makes it easier for politicians to give juicy contracts to their buddies who make bombs. Plus if European gas imports get disrupted, it just makes them more dependent on imports from the US. As the empire declines, the vassals are just going to get more and more fucked.

More like Charlie Kirk remains still silent on the Iran War gottem

This person catches bans from feddit.org for posting anti-immigrant shit, if you’re far enough right, every instance is a “tankie” instance.

A “tankie bar” is a place that runs off all the bigots, imperialists, zionists, etc until the only people who feel safe are a diverse community of marginalized people and their allies.

We’re already divided, and this comic is just making fun of those who put partisanship above all else so I don’t see it as especially divisive. Moreover, there’s no reason to seek any sort of “common cause” with the right, because they lick the boots of the ruling class and create division by attacking minority groups. Trying to find common ground with reactionary elements of the working class just dilutes the message and alienates their victims.

This post is about “not buying oil from your enemies” and you’re like, “But I’m not your enemy! Also, I don’t have any oil!”

Ok, I would like to buy a million barrels of crude oil, can you set that up for me without involving “the king and his followers?”

Me: Hey, stop that!

Guy who broke into my house: What a great sentiment, but it’s unbelievably unrealistic throws my stuff into a giant bag there will always be things people will want to steal.

When criticism is levied against the empire, it gets framed as “stopping all violence forever.” The same framing is not used when it comes to criticism of enemies of the empire. Nobody talks about Iran in terms of “We can’t do anything about them because violence will always exists.” Why? Because they framed as being somehow uniquely beligerant, while the empire is framed as being “the normal amount” of beligerant - even though the empire is much more violent, beligerant, and aggressive than Iran or any other country.

You can want the most murderous regime on the planet to stop attacking countries without the expectation that all violence will end forever.

Pick a lane already!

People really don’t like it when I do.

That is not the same as me wanting trans people to have no rights at all.

And what I said was that you wanted to take away rights, not have trans people have no rights at all.

You called me a liberal. That must mean you’re talking through the American lens

Lmao, wtf?

And you can’t abbreviate it because SAM is already taken by surface-to-air missiles.

First off, you again frame this entirely around “expanding the coalition” to include the perpetrators while ignoring how it excuses (practically speaking) their victims. This is pure chauvanism, it’s failing to recognize both the inherent humanity of the victims of imperialism, and their ability to contribute to a cause. I’d rather come across as a “preachy weirdo” to war profiteers than as an imperialist to the victims. When you describe this as “anyone who doesn’t share [your] exact lifestyle and worldview” you are minimizing what’s going on and trying to make it a subjective issue when it’s not. That makes it clear that you don’t actually share any kind of moral outrage at them, that you don’t share my goals at all, and you’re just trying to pretend that it’s an issue of “tactics” because you don’t want to openly voice what you actually think.

Second, this babying, whitewashing shit doesn’t really work to achieve anything. At best, you might get them to vote for a more polite warmongerer, while continuing to do real, tangible harm on a daily basis - but most likely it won’t even do that. The way to change people’s minds is not through that kind of nonsense, it is by directly confronting them and bringing the conflict directly into the open. This is exactly what MLK said:

Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word “tension.” I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation.

Your passive, whitewashing, can’t we all just get along approach is counterproductive and flies in the face of creating the necessary tension required to change people’s behavior. Which again, I don’t think you mind, because you’re not actually opposed to what they’re doing.

Second of all, where did I ever claim to want to take trans people’s rights away? Please stop putting words in my mouth

Do you think trans people should continue to have the right to participate in sports in accordance with the gender they identify as, yes or no?

Third of all, I am not a liberal and I’m not American. You couldn’t know that, but not every person on the internet is American nor do they live their lives through the American lens.

Where on earth did I imply you’re American? Stop putting words in my mouth.

It is tactically useful to point out their personal culpability, though. Very much so. Guilt is an incredibly powerful weapon. You just don’t want to wield it because you care more about protecting their feelings than you do about getting them to change.

Look at how much influence the Catholic Church has been able to wield in history by using guilt, and theirs wasn’t even based on the truth. What do you mean it’s “not tactically useful?”

Even if that were true, you’re simultaneously claiming that these people are willing to sabotage their company, and that they’d be alienated by saying that the work their company does is evil. That doesn’t make any sense.

Just because they don’t literally make guns and bomb doesn’t make them any less evil.

It actually does.

I’m not “locking anyone out of the movement” by calling them evil war profiteers. If they want to join the movement, they can simply stop being evil war profiteers. I am simply telling the truth.

On the other hand, by welcoming and babying such people, you are alienating their victims. It makes it abundantly clear where your priorities lie. Why would a victim of these war profiteers want to be a part of a movement that whitewashes those who perpetrate or enable the violence they’ve suffered?

What is your vision for what “being part of the movement” would even look like for these people? Unless they’re taking direct action to sabotage and support their industry (in which case they will likely be caught and fired), they are undoubtedly doing far more harm there than they could possibly offset by voting or attending some protest.