Hey, just so you know for when you make decisions in the future, calling socialist states fascists is rooted in double genocide theory.

This Wikipedia article has a good list of sources about double genocide theory and how it serves to trivialize and obscure the holocaust: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_genocide_theory

I love it when people call a transitional economy state capitalist because it betrays a lack of understanding of actually existing capitalism and the role the state plays in it.

Note the lack of citation.

Also yeah Yeltsin was a real hero, just don’t ask what he did after he bombarded parliament, and don’t ask why the US had to interfere in former USSR elections including the 1996 Russian election to make sure that nationalists and not communists won.

This was the text (translated):

Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?

I am however saying that regardless of the facts

That’s nice, have a good day!

Because immigrants are already biased due to having to leave, and they’re still generally normal about China.

I never made that argument though. Are you here to shadowbox or talk?

The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.

who told you not to trust the American government.

You don’t have to be told not to trust it. Even deluded Chuds who guzzle US corporate propaganda all day don’t trust it.

Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.

No, the meme implies that your distrust isn’t justified, not that trust is justified.

Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.

Okay, have you talked to any recent immigrants from China who don’t make way over the median US income?

There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed

This doesn’t really acknowledge the class character of the state.

Saying that they do propaganda and censorship as like a “you can’t trust them” justification is ridiculous though. Literally all states do those things, and non-state solutions don’t work, as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

True intellectualism is doing proper investigation before speaking. How many ordinary Chinese people have you talked to? Have you visited China?

It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered. Then the soviet union broke up and 7 million people died from capitalist shock therapy aided by bourgeois “democratic” governments.

The point is you’re making an unsourced claim which doesn’t align with the topic of conversation.

No, you said something that didn’t make sense.

I said

“Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.”

You replied:

“I can say the same for China”

I replied:

“Except you literally can’t.”

And then you made the comment I replied to, and I don’t see at all how it is connected to the line of conversation.

Idk I like it when the proletariat is able to dictate the course of society

Also your reply contradicts your statement that I first replied to.

Except you literally can’t.

Who told you not to trust anything the US said?

Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.

Do you think socialists are out to collectivize your toothbrush?

No, the siezing of factories and large estates is not equivalent to siezing your sewing needles or your backyard garden. They seize these means of production because their previous ownership was about denying people access to the means of production, not because they don’t think individuals should have their own means of production.

Please enlighten me what the substantive difference between ‘industrial scale’ and ‘systematic and widespread’ is.

Literally the difference between the holocaust and a pogrom.

Similarly, please point out to me what your exact issue is with the report I linked.

A lack of institutional credibility and an unwillingness to read a 20 page report that references things that have already been debunked- for example, i took a vertical slice to dig into, looking in detail about their claims of abducted children that do not align with the reality of later western-biased reporting on the issue.

Also, citation needed that Zenz is a fascist. I found much criticism of him, but no credible allegation that he is a fascist.

He describes himself as a “Christian Nationalist” and “on a God given mission to destroy China” and his institute used to be a cia front (arguably still is, although it has now been obscured through another front organization) If he isn’t a fascist, he is close enough to the picture that he still isn’t credible.