There’s only been like 3 times mainly that have been found out about publicly at least
OnionDuke Malware (2014)
Operation Onymous (2014)
Tor Exit Node Malware Campaign (2020)
So it can happen but doesn’t happen often and the people who pull it off usually have virtually unlimited funding to do it. For the common person its still safer than rawdogging the internet
That excerpt still says it was deployed to all the businesses listed above it, though. So yes it was being used however those businesses used it.
And yes closed source components are inescapable (and also a potential threat) unless you use something that is GNU certified and I don’t even think a lot of them can even run the current version of Tails but I havent researched it in awhile. Maybe could run Tor browser though but if my memory serves correctly even stuff that is GNU certified has some proprietary hardware in it.
But no, the irrationality here would be saying “because something is open source you should trust it automatically and ask no questions about it” which of course isn’t what you said but you implied that because something is open source its automatically to be trusted. And that’s not true.
I never said not to use TOR or implied that, I said (and you can look back at my comments and see) that just because something is open source doesn’t automatically mean it is safe and trustworthy. And I don’t think its irrational to say that.
This was all in response to someone pointing out that depending on what the person is using TOR for they should do more research about it and educate themselves on security of using it which is true.
Never just see open source and assume complete safety or trustworthiness. Which is something people who have never used TOR do all the time and why you see the points I made being brought up around the conversation constantly.
Open source doesn’t guarantee complete safety, you should still take other steps in addition to using open source to better enhance your privacy and security. TOR is great and I think OP and others interested should use it, but you should never blindly trust something just because it is open source and used a lot. Vulnerabilities can happen all the time, if they didn’t Tails wouldn’t ever need updated at all.
Alternatives (that I wouldn’t really recommend) do exist and since you mentioned how none were mentioned the two that come to mind first is i2p and Whonix although Whonix uses Tor routing but is an alternative to Tails I guess. Still wouldn’t recommend them over Tails though.
Jesus. Yeah I shouldn’t be surprised, they will take everything you have and more than you can make in a lifetime. I edited the original comment to reflect that number.
The algorithm has been included in the code libraries and software of major vendors and industry bodies, including Microsoft, Cisco Systems, RSA, Juniper, RIM for Blackberry, OpenSSL, McAfee, Samsung, Symantec, and Thales, according to Nist documentation, external.
Whether the software of these organisations was secure depended on how the algorithm had been used, Cambridge University cryptographic expert Richard Clayton told the BBC.
I wouldn’t say it didn’t affect anyone. And the thing about stuff like this is that this is just what has been found there likely exist many other things like this that won’t be found for a long time if it all.
OP should still use open source, to be clear I never said they shouldn’t.
But your comment implied that because it is open source it automatically means that it is safe and trustworthy and that isn’t true.
Obviously your security is much better on widely used open source software and programs than on proprietary stuff that isn’t widely audited but it doesn’t guarantee your safety and that’s all I was pointing out.
Also to add to this, since the discussion is about TOR I think this line of conversation is even more warranted and not just some “ritualistic” thing like your edit on that original comment says. TOR is 80% funded directly by the State department.
Now, yes many talented software people are out there but the governments of the world have some of the best and it would be in all of their best interests not to disclose a vulnerability in something they could use against someone. You’re either the USAs ally or someone that is against it, either of those options would make you not disclosing a vulnerability in your best interests.
So to automatically assume that software from a government that historically is against human and privacy rights is safe simply because it is open source is disingenuous.
That said, I still recommend TOR and I like it a lot. But I do not recommend trusting something simply because it is open source. Since this user wanted an in depth conversation on the topic I don’t feel like its “ritualistic purity” to disclose all that I said above.
It isn’t bad to be suspicious. If no one was, then open source wouldn’t even matter because no one would be wary enough to check.
I’ve actually seen people yell about “why should my money go to helping someone else!?!? That’s socialism!!” When you bring this up to them.
The brainwashing runs deep. You can tell too because you will make the same remark this picture does without yelling or anything like that and they go apeshit raising their voice to the top of their lungs, slamming their fists on the tables. And if they’ve been drinking boy oh boy they might actually physically assault you its insane.
Yes keeping it in a PayPal account is the real flex that means you have plenty more in other accounts when PP inevitably steals it all.
Worst payment “service” in existence
They meant it like, when this meme was first originally posted and fresh and being talked about.
If you’re not able to distinguish that from the context of the comment and picture its about you should probably not be trying to explain anything to anyone, hypothetical or not.
True I updated my original comment with the sauce!
I’m reminded of the backdoor the NSA placed in OpenSSL.
I love open source everything, but open source doesn’t just automatically mean “safer”.
The violence probably would have decreased over 50% until it all ran out.
I automatically find a different source anytime an annoying cookies banner pops up that doesn’t have reject all clearly labelled on it.
Lol now gamepass is going to be $40/month in 3 months.
Look what you all made Microsoft do!!
I’m sure they charged him $85,000* for the privilage as well.
Also the person who tried saving a kitten from a skunk is a fucking idiot you should always get a rabies shot if a wild and in this case vicious animal scratches you.
They also should have tested for that it was disclosed to the organ donation team by the family and they didn’t do it because they said “its rare in humans”. Fucking idiots.
Info from this article (that has a reject all for the cookies)
*also as pointed out by another user down below the cost of a kidney transplant in the USA is now around the $500,000 mark. Idk if that’s without insurance or with it but either way that’s insane and shameful that we put this burden on people going through this.
You can put almost anything on your dick, its the secret the elite don’t want you to know about!
you said that if they lowered their fee developers and publishers would make their games lower pricing. They dotn do that on epic which charges less than half of what steam charges. How is that wrong?
Nope your opinion can be whatever you want it to be but why not hold the same opinion for the whole industry standard instead of one storefront that’s a part of it? Why single one out and ignore the rest?
Again I notice you didn’t say anything about how Epic charges less than half the fees any of the others do and yet the games are magically the same price as they are everywhere else. Is that not evidence that you’re wrong with your statement that lowering the fee that everyone else that makes money uses isn’t going to make the games cheaper? I mean bro the evidence is right there.
And yes you can report whatever you want I wouldn’t expect anything less from someone who’d doesn’t even understand how taxes on a storefront checkout work and who can’t read something someone says without completely twisting it into something they didn’t say like saying I said not to argue and saying I said to shut up which never happened.
You seem like the type of reactionary person that would do that when proved wrong. I’m not gonna cry about it. No where in any of my comments did I attack you, simply said your arguments are shit and they are.
I agree with you its wasteful and I personally would never own one but it sounds like the dude actually likes the whole sea scene and scuba dives and stuff like that a lot.
A quote from him about it: “This isn’t about buying a yacht company. It’s about plugging into a tribe of builders, dreamers, sailors, creatives and engineers—and seeing what kind of future they can shape when no one’s holding them back. This isn’t a transaction. It’s ignition.”
So it really just sounds like he bought a company with a hobby he’s interested in to make more money and be a part of the hands on experience with it. That’s the same thing he did when he made Steam except he didn’t buy it he made it.
I still think yachts are insane and some absolute let them eat cake tier of rich bullshit but I don’t hate the guy for buying a company he seems interested in.
I’m not sucking his dick or anything but the dude got rich by being the least shit bag to the paying customers of his service. That’s more than I can say about almost every single other CEO alive at this point. So fuck it, let him have the yachts I guess.
Ok I looked back at my comments and never did say that. Can you point out where I did?
And yes, 30% is what every competitor in that market that is making money charges which is why I say its strange and unwarranted that you only call Steam out for this. This is an industry standard.
And these publishers and developers can set the price to whatever they want. They could do 30% over the fees on just the steam store and less on other platforms like itch.io if they wanted to. They don’t owe anything to steam and they don’t have to use it, GOG, PlayStation or Xbox if they don’t want to. They could host and do all the payment processing on their own shiny website. There’s a reason they don’t do that.
You care that they get charged an industry standard fee but font care about how much exposure their games get? You made an argument like you cared about games and their developers/publishers? Is that not the case? If you’re “just a consumer” why do you care about the fee the game developers are being charged on (every, BTW) store front in the first place?
Ever notice how Epic charges half the fees any others do (and has lost $450million USD so far by doing that) and the price for the games is the same as on other platforms? You’re misinformed if you think that they wouldn’t do the same on Steam or Xbox or PlayStation if they lowered fees. There’s your evidence right there.
Also, you’re an adult right? You should probably stay off message boards and any publicly used websites with comments if swear words hurt you so much. No one is forcing you to be here or engage just like no one is forcing you to use steam or put games on there.
Also the fees you’re talking about during checkout are taxes my dude. Jesus… Lol
In my opinion yes as long as you have one that is actually trustworthy. Mullvad comes to mind since it famously got raided and was found by authorities to keep zero logs like they promised.
Tor developers disagree but I think this is from the ideology that “it isn’t illegal to use Tor!!” Which is correct but it absolutely does make you a target in any of the 14 eyes countries and beyond.
I just hope they don’t Gary Webb or John Barnett him soon. I really worry about that especially with the dickheads in charge right now.