The point of progressives is they don’t support regressive policies
This is a fancy way of saying they let Trump win instead of voting in their own best interests.
Appealing to oligarchs and embracing the Feudal system kind of goes against their core tenants.
Are they achieving those tenants by letting Trump win?
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
You think democrats have enough seats to make a national holiday for the primaries?
Yeah because leftist criticized Biden more than Trump. With leftists as your allies you don’t need enemies. Makes sense why leftists aren’t winning any elections.
No goalpost was moved. You should learn the meaning of terms before you try to use them.
If the strategy of compromising with the right, appealing to moderate voters, and sucking up to corporate donors is so effective, why did it fail miserably at stopping the fall to fascism?
Because China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted Trump to win and used their propaganda machines to influence the elections. Not to mention billionaires doing underhanded stuff like buying votes. All while progressives fed the propaganda machine with their constant criticism.
Failing miserably would describe progressives’ refusal to work with other ideologies and thus losing elections consistently.
Are you of the same mind as the Democratic leadership, that Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign?
There is no such thing as a perfect campaign.
You’re making the same mistake that right-wingers make, blaming the powerless for the actions of the powerful.
I’m blaming the people that tipped the scales and got Trump elected.
The Democrats’ strategy is to appeal to as many voters as possible and work with people you might not agree with. They have won the majority of elections since the 90s with this strategy and gotten some legislation passed.
Progressives’ strategy is to refuse to work with any other ideologies, criticize to an extent that spreads apathy and demand all or nothing. They have consistently lost because of this and gotten no legislation passed. But their strategy hasn’t changed…
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I agree with you there. The mistake we made was being critical to a point that got Trump elected.
What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
What makes you think I wanted to know if you’re interested in defending a claim?
Progressives will continue to lose because they think they don’t need to work with ideologies other than their own in a country where progressives are a small fraction of the population.
‘Don’t try to appeal to moderate voters! Why can’t we win elections?!’
‘Don’t compromise with republicans to get the votes needed to pass legislation! Why can’t we get legislation passed?!’
‘Is is us progressives that are to blame for our lack of progress? No it is the voters that are wrong!’
‘We are very smart’
After all, you want two identical fascist parties.
“bOtH sIdEs R sAmE”
Nope, a long time has past since the 90s. That’s the point. The DNC has won the majority of elections for a long time. Proving they know how to win, unlike progressives.
Democrats have won the majority of the elections since the 90s using this strategy.
How many elections have progressives won?
There were a lot of black/female/indian democrat voters offended that anyone would even consider a primary instead of going with Vice President Harris. All those votes would’ve been lost.
She lost to Trump because that’s what China/Russia/Iran/North Korea and the billionaire class wanted. Whether intentional or not you’re just helping them out by scapegoating the DNC.
I’m not saying what is good/bad. I’m saying what wins/loses. You can be good and lose in the case of progressives. But then you can’t claim you know how to win better than the DNC.
If progressives know how to win elections better than the DNC then why don’t they just win enough elections to control the DNC?
This is my comment that preceded your quote.
The subject is: “why do progressives think they know how to win elections better than the DNC if they have never done so?”
I’m talking about winning and losing primaries. You’re cherry picking examples.
Progressives will continue to lose for this reason.
Multiple progressives lost their primaries recently and blame AIPAC funding. Criticizing democrats for catering to donors. While losing to democrats because they catered to donors.
All while claiming they can win elections better than democrats.
The GOP will also be catering to donors.
Because most of the influence that billionaires have is from Citizen United and no amount of criticizing democrats will change that.
It has the opposite effect. All that criticism is just ammo for their other method of influence: propaganda.
Every criticism is amplified by swarms of fake accounts on social media and forums like this. Used to sow apathy in democratic voters.
So that criticism makes it harder for democrats to get elected, which makes the GOP stronger, which entrenches more policies like Citizens United. Taking us all several steps backwards.