“Why don’t you communists try to be more conservative?”

That’s a wild suggestion that I’ve never seen before lol

It’s fucking hilarious how similar leftist are to the right wing

They are not actually. You simply don’t know the difference

They’re not, they are criticizing that and having a more nuanced conversation about the role of capitalism in this situation.

That user is just obsessed with them. Even if they clearly have never been in those communities to see for themselves

I fully accept and recognize 100% of the damage Biden and Harris have done

You actually don’t. And you wrote why yourself later

Why won’t you recognize the objective fact that Trump is worse on almost every issue, especially this issue?

What is “worse” in this genocide? You, just like a lot of average Democrat people on both Lemmy and Reddit, have this idea. There’s no “worse” genocide. All the atrocities that happened under Biden, will sadly simply continue to happen under Trump.

Just because you usually vote for the Democrats, it doesn’t magically make their “genocide lite” more appealing…or exist. It’s not a thing. Try telling someone from Palestine that things are about to get worse after all they’ve witnessed and see what they reply.

You, and everyone else guilty of this, are simply minimizing their experience and policing their voices. “I know you think this is already the end of you, your family and everything else you hold dear, but trust me, this other guy that I hate, is worse than witnessing your dear one being burned alive”

There was a choice between “continue” or “get worse”.

Wrong, the choice in Palestine and Gaza has depressingly always been “continue” or “continue” with the genocide.

And that’s why I felt sick by the comments. Because you (and everyone else in .world) is STILL doing this exact shit, after Palestinian people have been trying to tell you this for far over a year

Spoken like someone who still doesn’t truly understand all the destruction and death that Biden caused and supported.

I guess for you and all the people like you, Palestinian lives are just not worth as much.

With all your genocide apologism, I might as well be back in Reddit…how depressing

Lmao what kind of nonsense is this?

Edit: this instance is WILD. Y’all are always crying about .ml or hexbear or whatever else, but at least they’re not making fun of the literal ongoing genocide that was supported and funded by the Democrats.

Now I see why people talk shit about this instance too. I feel gross after reading such comments and seeing how many upvotes they got

The US, at one point, stated that it would use any and all means necessary to prevent ICC prosecution of US servicemembers…

…including, but not limited too, carrying an offensive attack on a friendly NATO country, to cover up any possible attempts at justice.

Nice effort at jedi mind tricking your way around it lol

to state sponsored assainations of private citizens.

You’re talking about the US’ policy abroad here, right?

Comparing strategic war plans

Or is this your attempt at justifying drafting plans to invade a friendly country?

Either way…whatever you gotta tell yourself

Typical exaggeration by the media then.

The US too drafted a plan to invade the Netherlands “just in case” the International Court decided that the US should follow international law.

I’m guessing a slow news day at Politico

Because troll, that’s why

That is truly a 5 years old understanding of the current conflict

Ukraine is not (yet?) NATO either, so why send troops there?

Wouldn’t sending troops actually just escalate things further and drag the whole of NATO into it if anything were to happen to those soldiers?

While I do genuinely feel sorry that this roommate of yours behaved in such awful and shitty way, my point was about the larger communities as a whole. Especially now that there are openly fascist people in power in the US and in a lot of other countries, I believe it’s even more important to be united. Or at least, as I quoted before, know where the differences lie.

That doesn’t mean being supportive of wrong behaviors and/or people of course. Being critical of wrongdoing is an essential skill. But in my opinion one can’t be as critical when generalizing about such large groups

Should I work with Marxist-Leninists?

If you’re organising at work or around housing issues, the people you work with are not going to all have the same politics at you, and your opinions on the July 1918 uprising of Left Socialist Revolutionaries after their expulsion from the Bolshevik government are not relevant to that situation. Yes, really, no-one gives a shit. You’re relating to each other as workers in that situation, not as representatives of a political niche, at least we hope not.

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If there are real political and organisational disagreements, it’s better to be open about them than gloss over them, and retain some independence.

However, even with my instance defederating ml, hexbear, and grad, I can still see people like you, which is slightly disappointing

Not as disappointing as seeing you contributing nothing to the conversation. You just replied to be mean and leave a snarky reply even though I’ve never interacted with you before.

But tell me more about how those other users are trolls…

I’m waisting my time. You keep ignoring my replies and bringing up new unrelated topics to avoid giving actual answers.

Have it your way. Goodbye

Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You’re the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml

Riiight. I have an alt account on .ml (like you would know if you bothered to read linked my comment, instead of replying to only a chunk of my comment) but I am the one who don’t understand that instance…suuure.

Also, trying to use tankies as an offensive term, immediately shows your true colors and how much you “really had an open mind”. You didn’t and you don’t have an open mind.

Most of their positions isn’t “The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued” which is something I have no issues with

It actually is.

Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they’ve even been known to be on favor of NK.

All of this is false. Just because there are SOME extreme users, it doesn’t mean the whole instance is like that. By the same standard, when I see a Trump meme or with Confederate flags or with transphobic content, I should generalize for the whole instance too, yes?

The examples you provided further show that you didn’t really went to .ml with an open mind. I am not denying those facts, but the way you described them indicate you learned nothing. There are SO many posts already there that address all those examples and how historical revisionism and propaganda helped to muddy the waters. A lot of the things we know about those historical facts (and let’s be honest - we’re not historians. The things we know about those events, are mostly what was told to us and what we quickly scanned on a summary) are somewhat painted in a light that makes them appear more favorable to whoever has interests in the race.

And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you’re probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.

I’ve never had any issues with the mods over there. Whenever I asked questions about ANY of those facts, I’ve always received very calm and detailed answers to those questions. Sometimes I was happy with their replies, sometimes I was not and my mind wasn’t changed.

But certainly I didn’t go in calling everyone a tankie and telling them they’re all just a bunch of insane users who don’t understand as much as you do.

That is why they are so hated

It’s not. It’s because it’s easier and more appealing for users to get on the hate train without actually engaging with different ideas.

Just like so many users do when they go in that community to ask a “gotcha” question that has been addressed thousands of times before and then cry “see? Authoritarian tankies!!” When they get banned for it.

Full honesty here: I too cried like that at first. But it’s precisely because I behaved in a similar way to what I just described. And that is not open mindedness

Edit: to reply to your screenshot: That comment is using a lot of common stereotypes. You think “western” platforms are not censored? Try making a positive post about Palestine on Reddit or on Instagram. I dare you.

Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand

I already wrote my thoughts here about this, so I’m not going to re write everything.

I am very much aware about those instances.

What it actually shows, is that neither of you have taken the time to understand why those instances are hated. You’re just following the trend without knowing why

what about new users who don’t know any better?

What about them? They can find out just like any other users have. Hopefully, those new users might do more research on them than you

Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.

It’s exactly as bad of a look as any other instance in here. There are trolls everywhere, and you pretending that they’re only there is an outstanding simplification.

You think there aren’t any bigots on .world? What would those poor new users think of .world when they see a racist bigot?

The weird obsessions you and some users have for certain instances that you can block is truly mind boggling

Edit: lmao considering OP went to trouble of making a whole gif to celebrate being banned from .ml, I’d say they also fall into the category of “user being obsessed with another instance”. A very mature and normal thing to do!

Full context here for everyone.

Personally, that answer does not seem nearly enough and I believe he should step down if he truly cared about the Proton project as a whole.