In hawaii we cant get eggs at all for the past week or two-- or even those milk carton pints of liquid eggs. I was told at the foodland today to come at 5am tomorrow when the doors open and theres always just a few boxes. So… I guess I get up at 430 tomorrow. Then elbow the old ladies – or whatever I need to do to get to the eggs first.

They are mean and have canes but they can’t take a punch and I can run to the egg aisle first.

lately dem centrists have been palling around with republicans, so maybe dnc centrists and leftists cancel each other out.

Yeah look into the official 9/11 report.

you really think thats an accurate and truthful document? I have heard it said that the fundamental difference between right wingers and left is that right wingers embrace hierarchy and tradition. Your rejecting any accusations of Musk and waving around the 9/11 report seems to speak for itself.

Maybe we’re reading different source material.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html

PBS interview transcript: "when I asked bin Laden if he was worried about being captured in an American raid, he quickly dismissed the possibility, turning instead to the reasons he hates the United States.

"The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists–those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children.

“We are sure of our victory against the Americans and the Jews as promised by the Prophet: Judgment day shall not come until the Muslim fights the Jew, where the Jew will hide behind trees and stones, and the tree and the stone will speak and say, ‘Muslim, behind me is a Jew. Come and kill him.’”

Bin Laden never raises his voice, and to listen to his untranslated answers, one could imagine that he was talking about something that did not much concern him. Nonchalant. He does not smile. He continued, looking down at his hands as if he were reading invisible notes. “Your situation with Muslims in Palestine is shameful–if there is any shame left in America. Houses were demolished over the heads of children. Also, by the testimony of relief workers in Iraq, the American-led sanctions resulted in the death of more than one million Iraqi children. All of this is done in the name of American interests. We believe that the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans. The only way for us to fend off these assaults is to use similar means. We do not worry about American opinion or the fact that they place prices on our heads. We as Muslims believe our fate is set.”"

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“We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa.” Bin Laden argued that American outrage at attacks on American civilians constitutes a great double standard.

“American history does not distinguish between civilians and military, not even women and children. They are the ones who used bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military? America does not have a religion that will prevent it from destroying all people.”

Bin Laden believes that what we consider to be terrorism is just the amount of violence required to get the attention of the American people. His aim is to get Americans to consider whether continued support of Israel is worth the bloodshed he promises.

“So we tell the Americans as people,” bin Laden said softly, “and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews. The continuation of tyranny will bring the fight to America, as Ramzi Yousef and others did. This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves.”

Cicling back to you though mothmandelorian, I see you made a surprising number of comments defending Elon Musk and insisting he’s not a nazi and didn’t make a nazi salute. So it could also be you just deny anything you dont like, even in the face of video evidence–and substiture your preferred version of reality in the place of whatever is real. Good chat. Cheers.

Bin Laden said he did 9/11 to bring attention to the Palestinians suffering. So supporting zionism is how we got 9/11. About two and a half decades later we havent learned a single thing. If anything we care less about human lives all the time.

6-8 years.

Solid plan, what could possibly go wrong.

I’m not sure what to do though. Pitchforks at city hall? mean letters to white house interns? Protests that the news wont cover? I live in one of the bluest states there is.

We certainly cant count on the Corporatist dems doing much of anything, except if there is any pushback they will try to use it as a photo op while contributing no support to it at all.

Its Americans trying to buy food who will be hit with a 25% tarriff, not Mexico. And Mexican farmers wont see a dime of that revenue, if anything they will see a decline in revenue as people stop buying the products. It all goes to the US treasury.

Agreed, but also-- Better be real sure a ball gargling is what you’d be OK with before you suggest that to him.

yeah I dont agree with many things in your comment, but I dont think you’re open to any legit conversation on the matter, and I’m not interested in a slapfight. You go try to have yourself a nice day, centrist.

you say voting for Dems would destroy it, but letting literal fascists get absolute power would also destroy it, permanently,

“it” the first time being the democratic party. We cant prop up a far right dem party. correct.

Your second use of “it” is the republic itself.

Call me names all you want, or disagree all you want, thats fine with me.

Except for state laws-- usually california, no limits on ammo purchases. Purchase 5 million rounds if thats what you need for um, deer hunting. Nothing over 50 cal, but 50 cal is fine. Mount it on your pickup truck or your own armored vehicle I guess. 50 cal ammo is 3 bucks per round for the cheap stuff so that adds up. Not a gun for the poors to own. You can own a tank if you want to, but theres a lot of laws around making it street legal, depending on the tank’s weight.

Operating a tank is a paperwork nightmare, which is another reason why Americans are so cynical about their government.

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If we could harvest the Dem leaderships lack of energy to do anything we might be able to create vacuum energy or antimatter.

Giant meteor is what we need.

Even out of power they still find a way to give hand jobs for industry donations and casually screw the public. I admire their energy.

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a 30 day supply of insulin for me would be 765 retail without my workplaces insurance. Insulin pump supplies would be another 450 a month. I dont know how anyone affords it without insurance from work. A parent would have to devote their entire minimum wage paycheck for nothing but insulin. No food, housing or clothes epenses unless they had another parent. And year by year a diabetics body needs a slightly higher dose as insulin resistence builds. Pretty tragic to be diabetic and poor in the US.

eh. OK, thats fair. I suppose it could have been ground control error.

I’m pretty pissed that an army blackhawk was anywhere near a commercial jet’s flightpath. Who do these moron army pilots and pentagon bigwig dickheads think they are? Our government has been a crooked clownshow for a while now but now its the military as well? If everyone on the helicopter wasnt already dead I’d be looking for some jail time for the helicopter people. Heck of a job.

And Vances response is an ask for everyone to “say a prayer?” Is that some sort of joke? What an arsehole.