My suggestions were to organize with the sports comms (collaborate to make sure it works for them), or potentially create a dedicated comm for all the mirrored stuff. I think picking and choosing what to mirror would also be a great idea.
All of that was done already when I was mirroring the alien.top accounts, and people still complained, and we were here spending a good hour arguing over that whether their complaints are legitimate or not.
“don’t mirror all the posts, but only those that have a threshold of interest” is a compromise.
“Don’t post to communities unless the admins/moderators gave strict permission” is a compromise.
“Don’t post at all, because some people want to be able to drink from the firehouse and not filter the content themselves” is not a compromise, it is a mandate.
If what you personally wanna do makes half the site unhappy (…)
You are looking at half of the people on the site (~25k) What about the the other 99.96% (75 million) of people still on Reddit who won’t leave because Reddit has kept a choke-hold on the communities and monopolized the content?
You are treating this as a static system. There are second-order effects.
but I’m not getting the impression you’re able to empathize with anyone else’s perspective.
I don’t get the impression you care what my perspective,
It’s not a matter of caring/not caring. It’s about accepting that this is an issue with conflicting interests. I am asking about how we can do this in a way that minimizes these conflicts while increasing/keep the upside (for the many) and minimizing the downside (for the few), but you are appealing to thought-terminating accusations (“you are not showing empathy”) instead of looking for a compromise that can make everyone happy.
All you need to understand about MongoDB is that it is webscale, because it doesn’t do joins and it has the most kick-ass benchmarks. And sharding.
I could argue that there l was never a time when r/all was free from filters, but I there is another conversation I think we should be having: if you are switching instances because one has bot accounts listed and the other doesn’t, you are still “manually curating your feeds”, albeit in a very complicated way.
You think bots are bad, so you moved to LW. I’ve heard people glad about being on .ee because they like what the bots can bring.
At the end of the day, the deeper issue seems to be that people not only want to feel like they are in control of what they do, they also want to feel validated in their choices. And we keep searching for justifications to back those up, even when it’s completely irrelevant.
They are not going to go through all this work and if the content is already offered somewhere else.
And if someone is using a program to automate this job which…
… is bad?
Why?
Don’t make me explain the joke.
r/all is not the same as drinking from the firehouse. Reddit has other selection algorithms beyond the vote count to build the front page.
Yeah, sorry. I really don’t want to rehash this discussion. Browsing by all only makes sense because the whole network is so small that people still believe that drinking from the firehose is the only way that can satiate they content consumption needs. And for the thousands of users here on Lemmy saying “this is too much content”, there are tens of millions still locked on Reddit because no other place has the content they are looking for.
Until last year, users could not filter the instances themselves, so it was up to the admins to limit things at the federation level. Newer versions of Lemmy already give this tooling to end users, so if the bots bother them, I am just going to say “sorry, you have everything in your power to stop this from bothering you, go ahead and block it yourself”.
If you intend to create inorganic content like that maybe the best solution would be a dedicated community so that folks who are happy to have updates and be able to discuss with folks can go there, and other folks can avoid it
That is the exact reason why I ended up creating 15+ topic-specific instances, plus alien.top when I started mirroring reddit content. The idea was that the bots would live on alien.top (and could be taken over by their real owner, when they authenticated via Reddit) and all these instances and communities were to be the destination of the posts.
Turns out that even with this separation, some people would still complain about their feed being “taken over” by alien.top. So, people could simply avoid it by simply curating their own feeds and stop “browsing by all”.
Running the topic-specific instances is not the hard part. The hard part would be to manually find content, posting and then ensuring that it is replicated across the whole Fediverse.
I’m already dealing with more than 15 topic-specific instances, some of them with multiple communities, plus Communick. If I try to keep track of “who-is-following-what”, I will go insane. I’d rather believe that eventually more people get to learn about these instances and start contributing as well.
“Botspam” is when you have someone mass sending programs sending messages that do not enrich the content of the network. A bot that is mirroring perfectly good accounts from other platforms is far from the case.
Put another way: if the content is relevant to the point where part of the people want to have it, and if the content being mirrored has a proper context for some members of the community, then we shouldn’t count it as spam.
Because it’s their responsibility to curate their own feeds. You don’t see me asking for people to stop posting stupid memes and the outrage bait of the US news cycle, I just avoid these communities.
Keep pushing/promoting the LW communities…
Ok, but the whole idea of Fediverser is to let people get rid of Twitter/Reddit by giving people an alternative source of content. Sending content there would make those platforms more interesting, not less.
Ok, I have 1.92k comments, not posts.
But why would you want your comments to be on Twitter?
Going through the effort of manually posting screenshots in the sports communities would go way farther than getting a bot to cross post.
Sorry, this is a bit condescending.
Go take a look at my profile. I have almost 2000 posts already. I’ve been posting 10-20 posts every day to all the different sport communities. Do you think that dedicating a good half-hour every day to read a bunch of feeds and sharing them is not already enough effort?
I’m not saying that we should rely only on mirror accounts, but I’m saying that it makes no sense to ignore them. I’m not proposing to take just a random army of AI slop and put it here. I’m saying that we can look at the places where the content curation already has been made and replicate it here.
The ones I’d be definitely interested about adding: