Make it illegal for anyone other than an individual human to own a house. Make it illegal to own more than three houses. Make it illegal to own houses in more than two states

Alternatively, We The People could start burning down real estate investment companies like our forefathers would have

This is a Lemmy comment section. Actual legislation could surely provide a good middle ground. Rental units offer valuable resource to a very specific minority of people, so they shouldn’t necessarily disappear. But in my region, 42% of people rent a home. There is no reason for nearly half of the population to be living in a temporary residence. Everyone I know who rents has lived within the same 10 mile radius their entire adult lives.

I keep coming back to slavery because you keep making arguments in defense of it. I could use rape or murder or robbery or neglect or physical abuse or genocide or any number of obviously evil things as examples instead, because your logic allows for all of those to be acceptable. It’s not a false equivalence, because I’ve never once equated any of these subjects. All I’ve talked about is what your underlying logic leads to.

“You’re not the one being harmed” is not a justification for harming something, it’s an attempt to shut someone up when they’re pointing out that you’re harming something.

I’ve already gone over this with you. Someone eating meat doesn’t harm me just like my government banning gay marriage doesn’t harm me just like my government legalizing slavery doesn’t harm me. I don’t care if it doesn’t harm me, it harms someone and we don’t need to do it. The Nazis weren’t harming Americans. Do you think we were wrong to step in and tell them to stop killing Jews in Europe?

There is no reason you have to tell others how they should live their lives if they don’t ask you for your opinion.

You continue to make arguments that slavers would have made against abolitionists

Nope. I’m against meat production because it harms things and we don’t need to do it. Being gay doesn’t harm anything. My underlying logic does not support bigotry. My underlying logic does support things like fighting for LGBT rights and abolitionism.

You need to try harder.

You say the cow cares? I say the cow never asked for your advocacy. And we both know you cannot prove it has.

I can prove pretty easily that cows can suffer. I can’t prove that any individual cow wanted to live any more than I can prove that any murder victim wanted to live, but it’s a safe fucking assumption that they did.

And it’s also safe to assume they are entirely clueless about the concept of meat consumption

And a child doesn’t know what sex is, but it turns out that the victim not being able to comprehend the crime being committed against them is not a justification for committing that crime. I know, you don’t think your logic can be expanded to cover things outside of dietary decisions, but it can whether you like it or not.

What someone wants to eat, provided it is legal- is only considered to be your business to you and you alone- not to them. So your opinions of their consumption of cheeseburgers is every bit as important to an omnivore as the opinions of Christian fundamentalists are to the LGBTQ.

Something being legal does not mean it’s okay, and my opinion of me consumption is a bit more meaningful than the opinions of Christian fundamentalists to the lgbt, on account that your perfectly legal dietary decisions actively cause harm in a way that being gay doesn’t.

Someone eating cheeseburgers has absolutely no impact on your life and doesn’t hurt you in the least bit. Just like who someone decides to love has no impact on anyone else.

You have to understand that the logic you are using here can be used to justify a bunch of awful things. The government banning gay marriage also has absolutely no impact on my life and doesn’t hurt me the least bit, but I can still argue for the rights and wellbeing of people and animals who aren’t like me.

What telling others what they should and shouldn’t eat is not u like those that presume it’s their responsibly to tell other who they can and cannot love.

This is word salad, but I think what you’re getting at is that telling other people what they should and shouldn’t eat is like telling gay people that they shouldn’t be gay. That’s not a similar argument, because being gay doesn’t hurt anything and eating meat does.

Oreos are famously vegan. There’s some dispute about the ethics of buying products with palm oil, and some sugar suppliers might use bone char to filter sugar, but the ingredients don’t necessarily include any animal products

I’m curious if I can still recite this from memory. Using voice to text, excuse any typos

Old Godzilla was hopping around Tokyo City like a big playground when suddenly Batman burst from the shade and hit Godzilla with a bat grenade Godzilla got pissed and began to attack but didn’t expect to get blocked by Shaq who proceeded to open up a can of shack food when Aaron Carter came out of the blue and he started beating up Shaquille O’Neal then they both got flattened by the batmobile but before he could make it back to the batcave Abraham Lincoln popped out of his grave and took an AK-47 out from under his hat and blue Batman away with a rat attack but he ran out of bullets and he ran away because Optimus prime came to save the day

This is The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny Good guys bad guys and explosions as far as the I can see and only one will survive I wonder who it will be this is The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

Godzilla took a bite out of Optimus prime like scruff McGruff took a bite out of crime then Shaq came back covered in a tire track while Jackie Chan jumped up and landed on his back and Batman was injured and trying to get steady when Abraham Lincoln came back with a machete but suddenly something caught his leg and he tripped to Indiana Jones took him out with his whip then he saw Godzilla sneaking up from behind and he reached for his gun which he just couldn’t find because Batman stole it and he shot and he missed and Jackie Chan deflected it with his fist then he jumped in the air and he did a somersault while Abraham Lincoln tried to pole vault on to Optimus prime but they collided in the air then they both got hit by a Care Bear stare

This is The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny Good guys bad guys and explosions as far as the eye can see and only one will survive I wonder who it will be this is The ultimate showdown

Angels sing out in an immaculate chorus down from the heavens descended Chuck Norris who delivered a kick which could shatter bones into the crotch of Indiana Jones who fell over on the ground rising in pain as Batman changed back into Bruce Wayne But Chuck saw through his clever disguise and he crushed Batman’s head in between his thighs

Then gandalf the Gray and gandalf the White and Monty Python and The holy Grails Black Knight and Benito Mussolini and the blue mini and cowboy Curtis and John be the genie RoboCop Terminator Captain Kirk and Darth Vader low pan Superman every single power ranger Bill s Preston and Theodore Logan spot the rock doc doc and Hulk Hogan all came out of nowhere lightning fast and they kicked Chuck Norris in his cowboy asset with the bloodiest battle at the world ever saw with civilians looking on a total law

(I did that all in one breath I’m so proud of myself)

The fight raged on for a century many lives were claimed but eventually the champion stood the rest saw their better Mr Rogers in a bloodstained sweater

this is the alternate showdown of ultimate destiny Good guys bad guys on explosion as far as the I can see and only one will survive I wonder who it will be this is The ultimate showdown this is The ultimate showdown this is The ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

This makes me more proud than being able to say alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot golf hotel India Juliet kilo Lima mike November Oscar papa Quebec Romeo Sierra tango uniform Victor whiskey x-ray Yankee Zulu

If one considers the act immoral, yet said act is legal- then one has no business telling the person that they shouldn’t do said act. It’s not their business regardless of what it is.

Do you really not see the problems with this? This discussion may be about eating meat, but you just made a general statement about when it is and isn’t okay to tell people that what they’re doing is wrong.

This is a literal defense of slavery. I’m not even misinterpreting it or taking it to a logical conclusion like that other comment I left, you are straight up saying that abolitionists are wrong when they tell slave owners that they shouldn’t own slaves if slavery is legal in their region.

Edit: y’all can read through this thread if you like, but we literally got nowhere except for this guy blocking me. Either he cannot understand the problems with his underlying logic, or he is ideologically consistent and thinks that the Holocaust was totally fine because it was legal and it didn’t hurt him.

Meanwhile, the weakest vegan in the comments

>inb4 some room temperature IQ replies with “are you really equating eating meat with slavery?”

No, slavery is worse than animal agriculture. That doesn’t mean that animal agriculture isn’t wrong for the same reasons that slavery is. You’re driving a demand for unnecessary harm to be done to sentient beings for a product you don’t need to survive.

If someone wants to eat a steak, who cares?

The cow

Realizing now the mistake one makes when trying to remain neutral in a discussion where vegans are involved.

“Realizing now the mistake one makes when trying to remain neutral in a discussion where abolitionists are involved” ~ someone in 1850s Kansas, trying to remain neutral in a discussion about slavery and complaining about those damn abolitionists who can’t see the nuance in owning people

So does my phone when the battery is low. Do you reckon I’m hurting it by not plugging it in right now?

I would go as far as to say that most vegans wouldn’t have a moral problem with eating roadkill. The physical act of eating meat is only harmful to an animal if it’s still alive while you’re eating it. The problem is the part before that, where you paid someone to hurt it

>inb4 some child left behind replies with “are you equating eating meat for sustenance with rape?”

Yes. You could eat something else for sustenance. The reason you choose meat is because it’s a more enjoyable experience for you, despite the inherent harm. That sounds similar to another topic I mentioned in this comment

See this is what I told people when they found out I had sex with my dog, and they said I was crazy and abusive! Like, it’s my own choice!

What were you hoping to achieve with this? You sure showed them, not all natural activities are bad. Unfortunately, they didn’t say that. You’re arguing against nobody

I for one have great respect for the ocean, and the brave people who risk their lives sailing across it. I’m fine here in kansas lol