and are somehow talking ‘down’ to working class,

Did you literally just forget how this conversation started in the first place?

but they very much are the working class figuring out how to solve their own problems.

So all the anarchists I see distancing themselves from the working class by referring to the working class as “normies” is merely a figment of my imagination? If you are, that would be nice… but then you’d have to explain to me why the only anarchists you find in my country are edgy white liberal kids at elite universities.

What are you talking about?

What did you think the working class really cares about? Explain to me how we keep the electricity on, the water flowing through the pipes, the food shelves stocked (community gardens doesn’t even qualify as a start) and the pharmacies in a working condition. Show me the nuts and bolts from which a plan can be built.

you aren’t a real sadist if you haven’t read the 120 days of Sodom. /s

Trying to read that is what proved to me that I’m not really “open-minded” at all - and I’m perfectly fine with that.

Fr though, theory is great and more people should read it, but also we must burn our bookshelves to be free as it were.

That is perfectly fine… but there is a good reason why the working class rejects politics that is purely based on theory - it’s the reason why the status quo does not rely on political theory to shape it’s propaganda, but rather the lived experience of the working class.

Theory can enlighten you, but it can also constrain you - ask any leftist to ELI5 the relationship between liberal ideology, fascism, and the capitalist mode of production without resorting to “Marxist-speak” and you’ll see it for yourself. Very few can.

Oh really? They are doing all of this because they are (supposedly) “protecting kids?”

Why should I bother reading an article written by somebody who is so confidantly wrong straight off the bat?

It’s not about money… it’s about what it is that you’re offering.

It’s easy to join, or get people to join, something that already exists. But if there is nothing to start off with, there might be damn good reasons why there isn’t. And you need to think twice before telling people to “bootstrap” it into existence.

I almost forgot that we’re not allowed to do or think anything without first running it past a Beardy McDeadguy that hasn’t been around for almost a hundred years.

Theyre parasites.

Of course they are - liberalism is, and have always been, a fundamentally oligarchic ideology.

The term parasite describes the role liberal elites play in society - but it does not describe their ideology. An ideology that has been hidden away by the pretense that liberalism isn’t an ideology at all - which is partly how they managed to pass this fundamentally oligarchic ideology off as “democratic” for so damn long.

So?

I, too, am perfectly fine with missiles striking Saudi Arabia - this dog-regime of the US deserves a whole lot more than that.

He couldn’t build “Ze Wall” and now he can’t get his precious “ballroom” sorted. Maybe he should wait for the Dems to build it for him?

If you think there’s anything “superhuman” about AI, you’re probably one of those people who spell the term stripper with a capital S.

It’s a job description, Clyde - not a title. Also… no, there’s no rule that says strippers can’t like or even become romantically involved with clients - it happens all the time.

Besides… the idea of an AI that obeys our liberal overlords is far, far scarier than one that doesn’t.

I have seen very little interest from them in actually building communism.

Or even socialism, for that matter - despite the fact that they had oodles of time and resources to do it.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with his involvement in Cooperation Tulsa?

Okay, I’ll eat your humble pie. I’m wrong about that.

This is better. If anarchists wants to be taken seriously by the working class, they’re going to have to do more doing and a lot less talking - in fact, I’ll advise them to tone down on the talking until they can actually figure out how to actually talk to the working class again. They did know how to do this, once.

can build community and organize ICE watch groups.

The members of the working class that is willing and, more importantly, capable of doing that is already doing so, and they did not need Youtube leftists cajoling them into doing so.

The left has never earned the right to lecture the working class on what to do, and it never will - but the working class has always proven willing to be influenced by those elements of the left that is willing to lead by example.

They aint fucking elite.

Yes they are. Trump wasn’t lying when he said he could shoot someone in Madison Square Gardens and get away with it - you go try it… and find out for yourself.

If there was ever an opportune time for God to give Washington the “Sodom & Gemorrah” treatment, this would be it.

Lemmy isn’t being used for Hasbara by Israel, for now.

Yeah… that might have something to do with it being “filled” with “brigading” tankies and anarchists.

Because it shows that the Democrats’s commitment to their donors

Liberalism is a fundamentally oligarchic ideology - which, by default, also makes it fundamentally anti-democratic.

Perhaps it’s time we stop lying to ourselves about it.

You mean… apart from them not wanting to admit that Genocide Joe essentially tossed the election to MAGA?

Considering that he’s literally the world’s second-most famous purveyor of ethically-sourced video games, I’d say he will most definitely be needing that law degree at some point in the foreseeable future.

those responsible for the Great Recession would go to jail.

The liberal elites don’t jail themselves for doing what they’ve always done.

Nope, don’t have the link and I’m not going to spend the enrgy to find it, either… I don’t bother with online anarchists - I sure as hell hope the offline kind is less cringy.

And no, it had nothing to do with mutual aid groups… he was exhorting people to knock on doors and “organise” - you know, that thing breadtube lipflappers are always talking about but never actually show themselves doing.

I expect this kind of shit from tankies - they are, by design, it seems - “lead from the back” types. But when anarchists do it it simply demonstrates how hopelessly disconnected they are from the working class they supposedly want to “liberate.”

It matters absolutely nothing now.

This little kapo and his right-wing friends dropped their payload and fulfilled their purpose - they successfully manufactured consent for mask-off, fundamentalist liberalism and all the state violence it requires to maintain the status quo against a population that could no longer simply be controlled by traditional media.

It’s perfectly irrelevant.