HW/FW security researcher & Demoscene elder.
I started having arguments online back on Fidonet and Usenet. I’m too tired to care now.
… yeah about that “sources” thing you mentioned. Those would not belong to “scientific consensus”. Neuroscientists claiming there is no such consensus however are valid sources, papers showing something else than the claimed consensus do too.
You believe there to be a consensus that doesn’t exist. That’s the point the neuroscientists make in the links I’ve given you.
Here’s a recent paper that could be used to claim it’s 20, not 25, if you want to draw a line: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-42540-8
How can such an article be published in Feb 2025 without also mentioning the incredible results already reached in restoring the lake?
for your claim that our brains are fully developed at 25
That’s the opposite of my claim. The claim is that there’s no such thing as “fully developed”. Development is continous throughout our whole lives. There’s no “line” at 25. You could just as well use 20 or 30. Or 5. Or 50.
I know better than the field of neuroscience
Your issue is that you believe that the field of neuroscience claims something it doesn’t. You’ve been given plenty of sources with quotes from neuroscientists on exactly how that myth came to be.
You still choose to believe the myth.
for your claim that our brains are fully developed at 25
That’s the opposite of my claim. The claim is that there’s no such thing as “fully developed”. Development is continous throughout our whole lives. There’s no “line” at 25. You could just as well use 20 or 30. Or 5. Or 50.
I know better than the field of neuroscience
Your issue is that you believe that the field of neuroscience claims something it doesn’t. You’ve been given plenty of sources with quotes from neuroscientists on exactly how that myth came to be.
You still choose to believe the myth.
No, you didn’t.
Why do people insist otherwise2? Unclear. But it’s not based on any particular scientific study or claim. At best, it seems to be a corruption/misunderstanding of a few older studies into brain development, ones which mentioned, or only used subjects under the age of, 25.
… and those statements in that neuroscientist’s “opinion” are linked to sources. If you click on those, you’ll end up at this article which cites scholars and references the studies where people got this myth from:
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/brain-development-25-year-old-mature-myth.html
Enjoy learning something new with your ever changing brain.
Maybe read the link I posted? All the research on “25 years” stems from that being the cutoff year. The same developments continue throughout life.
No, it’s not a fact. That’s the whole point.
Lots of western companies have divested from working with/in Russia even though it has cost them lots of money. Some because that’s a legal requirement (sanctions), some because it’s the right thing to do.
Not doing so is supporting Russia.
Vlad wrote it to me in their chat. Screenshot here: https://ioc.exchange/@troed/113311981054448887
Ask your wife whether she thinks people should send money to Russia. Now, Yandex is politically twisting the truth in their search results, but I care less about that than the fact that I’ll happily send money to Ukraine but there’s no way in hell I’m sending money to Russia.
Being a Kagi subscriber means you are. Morally - I’m not ok with it. In some nations it might even be against the law. Sanctions, you know. I’m not even sure Kagi is legally in the clear here.
They specifically avoid sanctions by routing payments through Kazakhstan, and tried to claim Yandex wasn’t even a russian company when called out.
And no, the US is not the same. You might not have hosted Ukrainian refugees or be in full understanding of what’s happening there but any money going into Russia is right now used for torture, rape and killing of Ukrainians.
I had a Kagi family subscription and immediately cancelled when I learnt about Vlad’s “it’s just some geopolitical opinions” stance. I also know others have done the same.
FWIW - most mobile data plans roll over if you don’t use them fully during the month.
(at least where I live)
This must’ve been a lot more complicated to implement than to allow us to NOT SEND OUR SUBSCRIPTION MONEY TO RUSSIA.
sigh
I reported a comment along those lines here on Lemmy/Mbin earlier today. They have no place here either.
That feeling never goes away. I’m 50 and consider the 40yo me to have lacked plenty.
Any line thus becomes quite arbitrary. The point is that there really isn’t anything that supports the trope about “not grown until 25”.
You need to follow @garwboy@ohai.social
Start here: https://ohai.social/@Garwboy/113944647175536159
Your brain works fine when you’re under 25 (no matter how ‘inconvenient’ this fact may be)
In-lieu of the young guys working on Musk’s behalf, the old “Your brain isn’t fully developed until your 25 claim” has emerged yet again
Here’s why it’s BS
Swedes do the same - and then brag about how they in their retirement home in Spain can speak Swedish all the time with other Swedes and Swede-run stores
hahahaha no, most definitely not :D
Anyway, it’s pretty clear you have some other reason than science behind not accepting you’re in the wrong here. The Nature study with its very clear graphs should be enough when it comes to science papers and there are numerous neuroscientists quoted in the other links I’ve given. You seem to believe “Slate” becomes the source when they quote one, but that’s not how sourcing works.