We take the lumber…

There is strength in numbers, and in solidarity! They cannot kill us all, because they need us more than we need them!

Then let’s kill the ones with their feet in it, instead of wasting time deciding which lives are more important!!!

Jesus, the trolley only keeps rolling because we agree to let it keep going…

Perhaps,now they will?

Maybe then, enough people will see the guillotine as a good solution.

No, I haven’t noticed that.

You should talk to more voters then…

In fact, that sounds like something Ronald Reagan used to say.

Did you miss like, all of 2019? 2014? Have you spoken to any Black person, and ask them why their parents have to give them the police talk?

Reagan wanted to shrink the state too. Maybe you really should direct your advice to the GOP.

Reagan also wanted the German Wall to fall. So, that must mean the removal of the German Wall is evil, right? The autobahn was created by Hitler, so obviously, highways are evil.

Your fallacy is known as “Poisoning the well”.

he economy is traditionally measured by GDP growth, unemployment, and inflation. All those numbers were good when Harris was running.

Ah, so we only care about the numbers that show if the economy is working for the oligarchs, and not the working class?

I don’t care if the economy is good for oligarchs, and makes it easy and profitable to exploit the working class… And, honestly, the working class voters don’t care if stonks go up, if their stomachs are empty.

If you want to redefine “good economy”, that’s on you.

I’m not “redefining” a “good economy”… There are many numbers behind an economy… Wealth distribution, maternal deaths, infant deaths, educational outcomes, monetary velocity, etc etc.

We can pick any set of numbers to talk about, but objectively, the economy is not good, nor has it been good, for the working class since 2002 or so.

Right, you think North Korea is a Democratic Republic ran by and for the people, because, well, they claim to be.

Now, extrapolate that to the USSR, which honestly wasn’t even socialist since about 1918 when they decided to murder workers for going on strike, and also murdering the people who actually made the revolution happen.

And, the Nazis too… They weren’t actually socialists, you know, right?

How do you address them when they say they don’t want a stateless society?

A stateless society is an end goal, and there’s much work between now and that. Sure, they don’t want one now, they say, but ever notice how often the complaint is “The government is hurting me, and I want it to stop…”?

Eventually, the solution to that is to get rid of the problem… The state. But that can’t happen until class consciousness has reached the revolutionary point, and the US is double timing it’s way to that, given the current Gini coefficient.

In the meantime, however, we CAN work to take power from the state, and giving it back to the people, one step at a time.

Please don’t fall into that trap of thinking there’s a Magic Button that just turns everything Full Communism.

Democrats won in 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, and 2020 without resorting to open fascism. That’s five of the last nine elections, which is roughly what you’d expect in a two party system.

It’s also what I expect from a uniparty, with two faces, each getting “equal time”.

I’m confident they can do it again in 2028.

Maybe. If we have elections.

No. But that’s an image of what has historically happened after leftists took power.

Ah, you’re one of those people that also think North Korea is a Democratic Republic ran by the people, huh?

Costco has always invested heavily in thier workers.

Because of the unions, not because of the good will of the corporation…

Costco offers some of the best pay and benefits in the industry.

This is because of their union… Not because of Costco, though.

So by “interests of the working class”, you don’t mean “listen to the working class”. You mean “tell the working class what their interests are”.

No, I mean “listen to, and address them”… ie, the economy is in the shitter. The working class is telling you its in the shitter. So, agree that’s what they are facing, and then doing something about it, that actually solves the problem.

So, no, I do not mean “telling them what their interests are”, we already know what the interests of the working class is: Economic security, housing security, food security, and access to health care and education.

A lot of working class folks think the causes of those issues are: Brown people, women working, women voting, not being christian… etc etc. All of those are easily debunked as the cause, so the job is to educate them by showing them the root cause of those issues: The current ruling class of oligarchs, not their fellow workers.

The difference is Harris lied to the working class too, by stating the economy is doing great. Or, she’s completely disconnected with the reality of the working class?

The only logical conclusion is that you believe lying to the working class is a winning strategy.

No, that’s your very, very, myopic reading of what I wrote… Especially after clarifying. It’s almost like you’re being purposefully obtuse, or something.

Nobody knows for sure why, not even people who play FPS games.

I dunno, the racial slurs, homophobic slurs, misogynistic slurs tend to give it away to me…

What is clear is that Democrats need to win them back. Democrats don’t seem to think leftism will win them back, and I agree.

We disagree on the latter, maybe. But then what’s your solution? Dems become just as openly fascist as the GOP?

I mean, just say you don’t want a liberated working class at that point, and just start saying the quiet part out loud: The Dems and the GOP are two faces of the same ruling oligarchs.

If the goal is power, for power’s sake, do you really want those people telling you what to do? Do you enjoy the image of a boot stomping on a human face for all eternity?

Plenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too… That’s why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still.

And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.

By centrist, I’m specifically referring to Latinos and Gen Z males.

That’s not what a centrist is.

Have you bothered to look into why younger Latinos and Gen Z males flocked to the fascist candidate? It wasn’t because fascism is closer to the center than the Dems are… Spoiler, go play some multiplayer FPS to hear why.

In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.

I suppose that’s a take… I mean, the Dems could of course lie to the working class, just to win votes. Like they did under Obama, Clinton, etc. Or, they could, you know, not lie to the working class, and actually enact change?

but he absolutely could not have won anything in that election.

Unlike Gore, who won the election, of course…

As an American, I’m loving this… Really. Its high time we feel the pain we’ve inflicted on other countries. Our “comeuppance” if you will.