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I mean, Scotland is beautiful and the requirements to put up brick facades on new buildings is a big part of that

Because not having aesthetic codes leads to corner cutting and ugly buildings. There’s a reason that left to their own devices, developers build the city from Mirror’s Edge

This take is tepid

If salt water is so bad for you why do they give you a saline drip in the hospital? These are literally live saving medicines and they’re telling you not to drink them.

I take a shot of salt water every morning and I’ve never had more energy.

You are describing the national parks service

Any significant structural changes wpuld probably need a couple of years to start showing up in the death count, get addicted to fent -> die two years later…

Did anything historical happen in 2008?

DSA just doesn’t purge people - we’ve never done that.

nervously glances at Atlanta

When Trump refuses to abdicate, California declares Sovereignty, takes Oregon, Washington, and (shockingly) Nevada with it.

President Newsome rules with an Iron fist. Border clashes break out on the Idaho border first, between California Guardsmen outside Spokane and paramilitary forces pushing out from C’ouer D’Alene.

The war is bloody and brutal and President Newsome uses it to quash internal dissent and implement policies like a ban on public camping.

The Balkanization of the US has begun in earnest, and Newsome is America’s Miloşevic

I’ll come at this from a different angle: Zohran’s behavior in office is a measure of NYC-DSA’s ability to discipline their candidates and their ability to learn from AOC.

We shouldn’t be saying “Zohran is a sheepdog” or w/e we should be saying “DSA come get your man”

A majority of Jews support the entity, and New York is the most Jewish major city in the US. It makes a lot of sense that it came up

HR departments are also more labor law concious and less likely to just fire everyone than random small buisness people, but they’re also less likely to be intimidated by threats about ULPs, its a mixed bag

Ime having someone being paid to be a substitute (even if it means losing staffing) is better because then management isnt putting pressure on people to not call out.

Another way to address staffing is to write in hour minimums for employees that are higher than you normally get, that way theres just more people around generally.

The time-and-a-half rule is almost never used because once it was in the contract, manager immediately installed amazing air conditioning

Your issues are classic union issues and can absolutely be addressed in a contract!

A sandwich chain up in Seattle won time-and-a-half for whenever the kitchen gets above 82 degrees https://inthesetimes.com/article/working-people-homegrown-sustainable-sandwiches-strike

Some contracts have requirements that the boss has to get the schedule out two weeks in advance and give full-time hours to people with seniority.

Unions also have bully boss trainings about how to push back on bad bosses

All of your grievances are things you guys can address collectively

To answer your hypothetical, I want to break it into two implicit parts. The first is a critique that decentralization doesnt address segregation and the long history of racial oppression. You’re absolutely right! Decentralization of the economy was a demand taken up by people who had been craftsmen and commoners and were watching themselves get pushed into monopolistic economic arrangements like factory production and tenant farming. In this context, decentralization made a lot of sense! In the same regard, the hyper-centralization of the economy proposed by the Soviet Union was designed to, and successfully facilitated, rapid industrialization. We saw similar centralization and intensification of state power happen in capitalist developing countries like Singapore, Taiwan and Occupied Korea. To this day, most housing in Taiwan is state owned and leased by the occupants.

Segregation and white supremacy are related, intertwined but seperate issues from industrialization and inclosure. They require different responses. You point out that just communizing the south without addressing Segregation would be deeply problematic. I agree! Its trying to solve a problem of the long 20th century with tools of the 17th through 19th centuries!

But where we possibly disagree and definitely have a difference in emphasis is the best way to solve the problem of Segregation. You ask “is it authoritarian to march on the south?” And I would reply by saying that it depends on how you do it. Is there a way to do it that garners mass participation from the oppressed? I think there is.

When Lincoln announced that any slave who fought for the union army would be freed, slaves freed themselves en masse, and left the plantations without labor. Imagine how history could have played out if the North had said “all former plantation land is yours, go claim your 40 acres and the government will grant you the deed.” You would have seen land reform in the US from the bottom-up!

Compare this to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which was also, clearly just. It was between a socialist party with developmentalist and democratic aspirations in power vs warlords and monarchists. There was a right and a wrong side. But they didn’t have a mass base. There were no peasants ready to seize the farms, no workers ready to seize the factories. That was a just but authoritarian invasion (since we’ve insisted on using an imprecise and emotionally loaded word).

And once the workers have the factories and the peasants have the land and the baristas have the roastaries the question of administration becomes incredibly important and lines between dictatorship and democracy become more clear cut. Once we invade the south, who controls the land and in what manner? If we have Federated communes, who are their constituencies‐‐are they segregated? Do they include former bosses? Do they include the disabled?

These questions are where we need anarchism as a guiding moral beacon to say “no, Trotsky should not have ended elections in the Red Army” or “yes, the Bundists should have been given their autonomous zone”

I’m gonna say ahead of time that I’ve written a lot and I want you to read it in a spirit of good faith, I think you have some important points and they’re worth thinking through. I dont want you to become an anarchist again, but I do want you to seriously think through what I’m going to put forward and use the questions it poses to inform your leninism.

I’ve had this conversation a lot, where marxists (rightly) point out the need for unity in action, discipline to maintain that unity, and some level of centralization. The problem is that a lot of them swing from “no centralization ever” to “lets forget the anarchist critique of centralization and top down politics.” I think you can have both, and, MLs have created some of the best examples.

Israel has a central, legitimate body which does colonialism the legal way and uses vigilantes to expand its power while maintaining plausible deniability. This is a great framework for revolutionaries! Have a legitimate above ground organization “workers for a democratic economy” and a decentralized underground that can expand its mission without ever tarnishing the reputation of the above ground org. Many groups do this, with the Phillipine communist movement being the one that probably the most USians have organized with directly. Decentralization and centralization are tactics that make sense in different contexts.

What I’d argue is that how we do centralization is very important and needs to be informed by the anarchist critique. There’s a huge difference between a leadership body of elected, re-callable delegates and a leadership body which selects new members through an internal process. In the labor context, you can think about United Electrical vs UFCW for an example of each, respectively. They’re both centralized orgs that will punish their members for crossing picket lines and try to generate internal unity during the peaks of struggle, but one is deeply democratic and the other is a dictatorship.

But UE wasn’t founded by anarchists! Its most important early organizers were Communist Party members taking orders from the top down with almost 0 internal democracy! And yet they created the most democratic union in the CIO.

If the American labor movement had done what the Russian and Spanish labor movements did in the early 20th century and seized the economy, what kind of situation would have been produced by United Electrical seizing the economy vs What kind of situation would have been produced by UFCW or the Steelworkers doing the same?

If you think that matters, then you agree with the central argument of anarchism, you just have quibbles around implementation. Honestly, as our revolutionary movement matures anarchists will look more like MLs and MLs more like anarchists–the revolutionary movements of the future will not look like the revolutionary movements of the past.

Righ, vigilanteeism * seems like* a logical extension of the direct action framework. You’re cutting out the middle man, solving a problem yourself!

But the most important part of anarchism is alignment of ends and means; making revolution using organizations that are non-heirarchal, directly democratic, de-commodify things, etc. The vigilante mob is not an anarchist governing form.

That’s not to say it’s never useful. The FAU held bosses’ children hostage during strikes to increase the bargaining power of the workers. But we should be very careful about when and how we deploy vigilanteeism and who it’s accountable to.

Oh no, it was rude as hell, but being in community where we’re actually accountable to each other means pulling them aside and privately going “dude wtf” and then doing a polite and formal public apology.

The internet flaming was unfortunate and gauche, but the kind of shit you get with MLs since most of them were radicalized online before they started IRL organizing.

So full disclosure I’m an anarchist but generally I like having either Red Star or Bread and Roses in leadership. Red Star is big on setting priorities for chapters and then having the whole chapter throw their weight behind it, which is exhausting when that priority is a candidate campaign and very cool when its anything else.

They also are big on two-camp anti-imperialism, which can sometimes be useful at cutting through the bullshit but can lead to edge lord behavior like the time they cyber-bullied a trot for being rude to a Cuban diplomat or the time they released a pamphlet entitled “we commend hamas.” Like, neither of those things are neccesarily wrong, but theyre internet behavior, not irl organizing behavior.

Red Star is the only ML caucus with a seat on the NPC. MUG is Kautskyist and imo struggles with being under practiced and organizing and having an electoral bent.

Communist Caucus is also ML but abstains from leadership elections, instead focusing on poaching DSA people for tenant, labor and anti-prison organizing. When they need something to happen nationally they usually lobby Bread and Roses (the pro-labor center caucus) to bring it forward for them.

Imo theyre the realest caucus in DSA by a long shot.

Theres also local ML caucuses like Black Red Guard’s thing, Red Labor, and Emerge.

If you count the trots, the left has a slight majority. If you dont count them (and you shouldn’t) then the left has a plurality.

Bread and Roses (post trot labor-notes core) and Reform and Revolution (A split from Socialist Alternative) are now the king makers, so expect DSA’s foreign policy to continue to be rough.