Have the discussion here and not in dustbunnies post.
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death to upvotes
upbear to join the upbear abolition league
together we can make the site more fun to use and more relaxing!
if 30 or more users upbear, the upbear abolition league will receive a cool forum signature type banner to put at the end of each of their posts!!!
(this is not a bit btw, these events have confirmed my undying hatred for internet points)
letting people vote on quanta of conversation was a mistake. this is not a joke, i have come to understand over time that while abolition of the down vote was good, complete destruction of internet points is better. even though i like when i get a lot of them. they’re still fucking bad for human brains.
Hexbear sortition posting. Only 100 accounts may post on a given day, sorted randomly.
Ooh and on other lemmies we’re federated with, artificially give every post 10k upvotes so we’re always at the top of threads
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Upbears make the site a more disagreeable place. Not only are they difficult to moderate without being punitive or harming user’s experience (not to mention day), but they help replicate toxic modes of communication in real life, by facilitating the rapid spread of unspoken assumptions and prejudices. Make Hexbear an Up Bear by going Down with Upbears
I can’t see upbear counts so I will make the signature regardless lol
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admins not beating the arbitrary rulings on their fiefdom allegations
Agreed (even though I also think the reasoning and very temp-ban was not the worst). If they want to power trip they should be open and upfront about it (though then I imagine there might
will definitely beunderstandable splintering- well such is online comms as well as leftist spaces). It would be funny then at leastwhen one of my friends says something shitty that seems out of character, I talk to them about it. if admins can see who said what, then admins can talk to them about it. so yeah I do disagree with the immediate banning and not pulling well meaning comrades aside to go “hey, this comment you upvoted was kinda shitty. do you see why that is?”. discuss things with comrades and help them improve
and even then I would do this with people who have a history of it. a one off can be a misclick, misreading, misunderstanding the words. I know my dyslexic ass has to reread posts sometimes because words just fall out of the sentence I read when I process them
True, this is a space for comrades/halfways decent people (by the standards of the broader internet, pretty much anyone here probably may as well may be saints, though the bar is in hell), immediate bans even as a temp measure suck. Knowing myself, if I caught any strays and took it personally (in the past I surely would’ve, dunno about/depends for nowadays) I would be frothing at the bit about it and it would be counterproductive.
And also, mood to the latter though don’t think I’m dyslexic (probably just read or skim faster than I process, and also my memory can sometimes be that of a goldfish). Also because sometimes I’m just updooting all the comments if there aren’t many lol
you ever notice the two wolves emojis are actually sized differently at the neck? You can’t make a dogdog. Also we can’t make catdog either. 
that is so fucked up
I know right! trying to make emoji abominations is a fun pastime but it’s jarring when the alignments aren’t close enough to sorta blend them together in the minds eye.
For punishments to be just, they must be merited, consistently enforced, predictable, and proportionate.
Perhaps showing support, even accidentally, for reactionary views might merit punishment. However, this punishment is likely not consistently enforced, and the rule is not stated anywhere on the website.
Most importantly, any kind of ban for a single upbear from a user with no prior pattern of behaviour is entirely disproportionate to the wrongdoing. It blows my mind that anyone could consider it an appropriate response.
what did I miss
I don’t want to keep drama going around for longer than necessary and would rather
but I’m afraid of stepping on toes by touching on a previously struggle session-ed topic I didn’t know about. It would be nice to have maybe a one line briefing somewhere on these things if possible.
When I saw the bans I assumed at least some due diligence had been done to ensure it was a pattern of behaviour. I wasn’t around then, but I know during transphobe purges people’s voting patterns were used, and that went well. So I thought it’d be the same here. Patterns.
Banning for one upvote in one thread isnt a pattern and doesn’t prove shit.
I didn’t really read the original post. I skimmed before bed. I’ve seen people say it was unacceptable fash shit along the lines of “sacrifice minorities to please fascists this will end well.” If people agree with that they should probably fuck off, and I wouldn’t be against banning them. But an upvote doesn’t always mean agreement. Not consistently enough to ban based on it anyway, the friendly fire rate would be very high.
If they banned based on having complete knowledge of the beliefs of users reading it, then it wouldn’t be an issue for me. But the upvote button doesn’t represent that.
sorry i just clocked out of work. what did i miss?
Mods tempbanned a handful of people for upvoting a reactionary post basically.
Same. I’m not in the loop on this one at all
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Ah, well that sounds good to me. We’ve got the best mods folks
the what
Can we switch to phpbb
more like phppb
Locking this as it is becoming hostile.
We won’t be issuing sitebans on a single upvote alone going forward, but it can and will be used with other upvotes/posts/comments.
A larger post will be coming shortly
