I realize you can just answer, “mysterious aliens beyond our understanding,” but why would a space probe have a mandate of either talk to a whale for 30 seconds or destroy Earth and disable everything in its path on the way to Earth?

Why? What does that achieve?

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    We don’t know. That’s part of the mystery of the movie. We don’t even know if the probe was intentionally destroying things. If you can’t vibe with the mystery and go along for the ride, then it’s not for you. Nothing’s for everyone.

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    I believe the probe was not destroying anything intentionally, but this was rather a side effect of whatever it was doing to attempt to communicate with the not-the-hell-your-whales. Once it did so and was satisfied it shut off its transmitter and went about its merry way.

    I don’t know why it specifically needed whales. Maybe some other similarly whale-like alien species would also have sufficed.

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      I’m pretty sure Spock actually said this and this is the way I always understood it. Spock went on a hunch that it wasn’t intentionally destroying the planet, it was a byproduct of looking for the whales. Maybe it had to look harder than expected and turned up the transmit power which is why things got weird.

      “Hell of a way to say hello.” - Bones, probably.

      Edit: Yeah, “I find it illogical that its actions would be hostile.”

      Second edit: I just saw a thread the other day about the weakest sonar pings from Navey subs being strong enough to vaporize people’s insides. Context I guess.

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      One hell of a side effect. You’d think its creators would understand the whole ‘destroy the planet’ aspect of their ‘must communicate with a whale for a very brief period of time unless there aren’t any and then I just stick around’ plan.

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        Maybe we can parallel it like this…

        You’re out in your backyard playing with your dog. You’re both running around in the grass, rolling around, the dog digs for a moment at a spot in the yard. You think nothing of it.

        But in those few minutes, you both stomped on and destroyed a couple ant mounds, squashed some other bugs and insects in the grass (their habitat) and the dog dug up and obliterated another creatures nest in the grass.

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          The problem here is that it wants to talk to the whales but it is also destroying the ocean. That doesn’t really match your scenario.

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            It’s just an overgeneralization. It’s doing something it thinks is harmless and possibly considering humans to be lesser beings like the insects

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              It’s doing something it thinks is harmless that would directly harm the thing it’s wants to talk to?

              Are its programmers morons?

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    Which is more improbable: that, or there being no hallucinogenic drugs in Kirk and Spock’s time?

    If they can easily manipulate molecules to make sheets of materials like transparent aluminum, AND they seem to keep an illegal stash of Romulan Pale Ale, imagine the mind-bending mind-enhancing substances they can come up with four centuries from now, yet square-jawed Kirk seems completely oblivious to the whole concept.

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      If you’re referring to the LDS flub, that could really be easily handwaved away as it was a drug that just fell so far out of fashion and use it’s barely a foot note in history books. Enough for Kirk to be aware of its history yet to not remember the correct name.

      By his point in time humanity has chosen to expand their minds with knowledge and exploration…and lots of booze

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        Swearing they’re aware of, but it’s more of correct colloquial context for the time. It’d be like me going back 40 years and calling someone a fucktard.

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          Kirk shouldn’t be so stupid that he can’t figure out what “dumb” and “ass” mean when you put them together. Especially when both words had already been in use for centuries by the 20th century and English had clearly barely changed in the following centuries.