Just feels very iffy… Seems to imply the Wapiti should just surrender, lay down their arms and let themselves be genocided. The writers seem to think the Wapiti should just let themselves face attack after attack and not do anything. Also, very weird that they try to portray US soldiers as victims. Arthur picks up the ID of a soldier and said something alongside the lines of “he’s just a kid!”. Imagine this kind of shit in a WWII game. Oh no, we just killed this poor, poor, poor boy from Hamburg! He liked puppies and flowers!
I think about that plotline a lot.
I think our inclination is to side with violent resistance to the settler state, but ultimately the stance that the game takes is the one that was vindicated by history.
Armed resistance would not have solved the problem. It would be impossible to overcome the settler state. The route of just trying to survive and outlast the state is what we see happening today. I don’t think the game says this is a good thing, just inevitable.
Yeah I don’t think the father or son (I can’t remember which is which) are wrong, the father has lost so much and just wants his son and people to survive, and the son has seen his people brought low and is full of rage. It’s a sad story that dutch manipulates.
I don’t think the game says this is a good thing, just inevitable.
Yes. Rain Falls has seen all hus other sons die fighting the government. He wants his last son to stay alive - not because he thinks its wrong to fight the gov and not because he thinks not fighting is right, he just wants a live son a not a dead one.
Its been a while but i remember a moment where Rain Falls is pterty explicit that its not about him thinking not fighting is good, he just feels iys become futile and he wants his last remaining son to stay alive
I remember being worried while playing that the story would go in that direction. But there’s a scene where Rain Falls explicitly says that he doesn’t want his son to fight, not because he thinks its wrong, but that its futile and he wants his son to live. All of his other sons have died fighting and he’s decided that even though fighting the gov is right, he’d rather have a living son. Its been a long time, but i remember it being a really moving scene that clarified it for me.
It seems they were making a statement on what heroism is in an unwinnable situation - Dying in a fight you can’t win even though its right, versus shouldering the pain of living through injustice you can’t defeat and doing what you can for those still living. I don’t think they pull it off perfectly at all, but that’s my best guess of what they were going for.
I can’t speak to it from an indigenous perspective, but I feel like the gang and the tribe are some what paralleled in the narrative.
The Old West and both their ways of life are dying from industrialization and capitalism (and/or settler colonialism) and it is just portrayed as a tragic inevitability by the plot.Haven’t played in long enough to comment, but I don’t remember that being the message I took away from that section
