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    5 months ago

    Manchin and Sinema consistently voted against party lines and were known for being republicans running as democrats. They consistently blocked the DNC. This is a bad faith argument.

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        Doesn’t matter, they set the boundaries for the party and they weren’t cast out or reprimanded effectively, ergo they led the Democratic party and the Biden administration.

        Democrats needed them to cooperate to get anything passed. If pressed too hard they would’ve switch republican and democrats would’ve gotten so little legislation passed that they would’ve been identical to the leftists that have never accomplished anything.

        This is a foreign concept to leftists because leftists don’t get elected let alone get legislation passed. Or understand the importance of voting as you’re proving.

        Working together to get a trusted candidate elected is also a foreign concept. That is why every progressive that gets elected ends up being a republican (Fetterman, Sinema, etc.).

        Yet we still have leftists complaining that the DNC won’t have open primaries. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me more than once, I must be a leftists.

        The DNC wins by trying to cater to as many voters as possible because that’s the job of a politician.

        Leftists consistently lose by refusing to work with anyone outside of their ideology which is just a small fraction of the voters.

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          Yes, their strategy of crowbarring in the candidate their funders want via superdelegate or just unilateral appointment has really appealed to the majority of voters

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                Democrats have been winning without leftists since the 90s. After leftists tanked the 2024 election by not showing up to vote, democrats are better off appealing to centrists like they have every election win since the 90s.

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                    Obama didn’t win because of universal healthcare. That worked against him but he did it to make leftists happy and they crucified him when he didn’t have enough votes in senate and had to compromise.

                    That’s what leftists do. Attack their allies and refuse to work with other ideologies.

                    Hilary won the popular vote and lost because of Russian election interference.

                    Harris lost because she tried to cater to leftists and they abandoned her. Again proving that leftist are a waste of time.

                    Why didn’t you mention Biden? He had a record setting win without leftists.

                    Democrats didn’t discuss Gaza because the US funds Israel to keep Iran from growing in power in that region and keep Russia at bay in Syria. Iran/Russia bots are working overtime to try to get people like you to do their work for them.

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            Trump lost by more than Harris in 2020 then came back and won. If he followed your advice he wouldn’t have won in 2024.

            Leave it to leftists (a group that never wins elections) to quit too soon.

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                Leftists consistently lose elections and have never gotten a single piece of legislation passed. They are a very small fraction of all voters and they refuse to work with other ideologies. This guarantees they will continue to lose and never get any legislation passed.

                Democrats are better off working with centrists because they actually show up to vote. Unlike leftists who can easily be tricked into not voting in their own best interest by using hot topics like Gaza or whatever the current event is.

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                    The left wasn’t tricked, we’re just sick of being taken for granted and having our concerns blatantly ignored. Your failure to make concessions and compromises with your own base is shooting yourself in the foot.

                    This is why the left consistently loses and never gets legislation passed. Democrats could explain there aren’t enough votes in Congress for them to get what they want but they aren’t smart enough to win on their own so how can they understand even such a simple concept.

                    Leftist can’t win elections so they have to leech off democrats’ success, dragging democrats down to their level of constant losing.