Right, but we are talking about the average user. One who only needs a browser. They wouldn’t even think about flatpak/snap/appimage, and would probably look at you like you are insane if you said those in the same sentence as “Your browser is a flatpak/snap/appimage, so it doesn’t have the permissions it needs to allow drag and drop”.
I am a Linux fan, but I hadn’t really paid much attention to snaps/flataks/appimages, had mostly been a Debian-based distro user in my younger years, so knew about debs and tars (bleh) and of course apt, but I mostly daily drove windows for a long time.
Came back to the Linux world on a whim on my extra old laptop to give it new life (same thing I had done back when I was like 12) -(EDIT: remembered) bounced around between distros like Fedora, popos, etc but ended up with EndevourOS as I knew I wanted to try an Arch based distro, it didn’t run as well as I’d liked and I messed up some package on AUR so I ended up wiping that after a few months and tried out Bazzite, very different then I was used to and is the only reason I’ve actually learned about appimages/flatpaks.
Then I turned my old gaming PC into a proxmox box, set up Ubuntu server and started playing around with docker (which made way more sense after getting to know container based programs from Bazzite).
Anyway, no point to be made there aside from… Flatpaks and the like are just a different way of doing things, which necessitates learning.
I get the point being made about defaults being important as a first user experience is extremely important if you’re wanting to keep a user, but there is something to be said for a little common sense that you have to be able to try to learn a little when you’re doing something new.
Alas, I work in a customer service adjacent role in fintech so I know all too well that users hate to learn lmfao
And many don’t seem to know how to find information, like when I ran into exactly that situation where I was trying to attach a file by dragging and dropping from dolphin into FF and nothing happening. So I immediately went to Kagi (at the time, have since switched to self hosted searxng) and searched “unable to drag and drop file into Firefox browser bazzite” and very quickly found my answer. Alas Google fu is a skill many are sorely lacking
Yeah, I understand. I’ve gotten way more comfortable with it as I’ve gotten older to where I prefer it now.
I just wish there was more understanding for those that aren’t as inquisitive as the average Linux user.
I stated about rude people online in the original comment, and sure enough, here they are in this thread, so, I appreciate your more level headed approach. Thank you. :)
Flatseal helps with managing flatpak perms, but yeah it’s not at all intuitive
Right, but we are talking about the average user. One who only needs a browser. They wouldn’t even think about flatpak/snap/appimage, and would probably look at you like you are insane if you said those in the same sentence as “Your browser is a flatpak/snap/appimage, so it doesn’t have the permissions it needs to allow drag and drop”.
I am a Linux fan, but I hadn’t really paid much attention to snaps/flataks/appimages, had mostly been a Debian-based distro user in my younger years, so knew about debs and tars (bleh) and of course apt, but I mostly daily drove windows for a long time.
Came back to the Linux world on a whim on my extra old laptop to give it new life (same thing I had done back when I was like 12) -(EDIT: remembered) bounced around between distros like Fedora, popos, etc but ended up with EndevourOS as I knew I wanted to try an Arch based distro, it didn’t run as well as I’d liked and I messed up some package on AUR so I ended up wiping that after a few months and tried out Bazzite, very different then I was used to and is the only reason I’ve actually learned about appimages/flatpaks.
Then I turned my old gaming PC into a proxmox box, set up Ubuntu server and started playing around with docker (which made way more sense after getting to know container based programs from Bazzite).
Anyway, no point to be made there aside from… Flatpaks and the like are just a different way of doing things, which necessitates learning.
I get the point being made about defaults being important as a first user experience is extremely important if you’re wanting to keep a user, but there is something to be said for a little common sense that you have to be able to try to learn a little when you’re doing something new.
Alas, I work in a customer service adjacent role in fintech so I know all too well that users hate to learn lmfao
And many don’t seem to know how to find information, like when I ran into exactly that situation where I was trying to attach a file by dragging and dropping from dolphin into FF and nothing happening. So I immediately went to Kagi (at the time, have since switched to self hosted searxng) and searched “unable to drag and drop file into Firefox browser bazzite” and very quickly found my answer. Alas Google fu is a skill many are sorely lacking
Yeah, I understand. I’ve gotten way more comfortable with it as I’ve gotten older to where I prefer it now.
I just wish there was more understanding for those that aren’t as inquisitive as the average Linux user.
I stated about rude people online in the original comment, and sure enough, here they are in this thread, so, I appreciate your more level headed approach. Thank you. :)