Sadly not an actual line from FFT, but it fits the tone tbqh

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    Of course poverty is natural. That’s why humans have always banded together to create wealth.

    Frist thing a tribal society does is try to store up food and create tools to get more food.

    Then they try to get clothes and shelter.

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      Of course poverty is natural.

      Nope, you’re wrong.

      That’s why humans have always banded together to create wealth. Frist thing a tribal society does is try to store up food and create tools to get more food. Then they try to get clothes and shelter.

      What you’ve described is literally just living and surviving. So… what, people who are experiencing poverty are just not working to acquire food, clothes, and shelter like they should be? Or is there something, unnatural, that prevents them from actually doing this?

      Poverty is unnatural and is created by an unnatural system that is purely man-made. Your example actually demonstrates it perfectly, back before the invented system, people were free to survive the way they needed and were without poverty.

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        And how many children died before the age of five? How many people died of starvation?

        People stopped living in caves and built farms because they were tired of dying.

        There was never a golden age. We might be able to build one in the future, but life in the past was terrible.

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          Literally irrelevant to the topic of poverty and the system that creates it…

          Unless you believe that medical care and general progress/advancement somehow necessitates poverty or something strange and incorrect like that

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            As per Britannica, Poverty is the state of lacking a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.

            No one is born with material possessions, and the cave folks did their best to get hold of spears, tents, and other wealth so they wouldn’t starve.

            After a few thousand years of hard work a few tribes managed to have some stability. They possessed great knowledge.

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              Keywords: “usual or socially acceptable”. To say that people in the distant past were living in poverty because they didn’t have access to the same technologies and wealth we have today is ridiculous and a fundamental misunderstanding of poverty.

              So… is it impoverished people just aren’t doing the hard work to keep from starving that the great cave people did, then? Or…? 🙃

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                You’re confusing “Poverty” and “Inequality.”

                The situation you’re upset about is “inequality.” The 99.9% getting screwed by a system that denies them the fruits of their labors.

                You are forced to use a 'strawman" argument because you know I’m right, and lack the sense to just admit it.

                And using an emoji always shows how carefully you’ve considered the other person’s opinion.

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                  Oh gee…

                  lacking a usual or socially acceptable amount

                  So… in other words… an inequal amount to others? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

                  It seems like inequality might be a key part of the definition of poverty that you’ve provided… 🤦

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                    I’ll play your game.

                    So, who were the cave people unequal with? The tigers?

                    You can make anything sound stupid if you try hard enough.