Hmmmm let’s see… Calling them all racist/sexist and stupid didn’t work in 2016 or in 2024… It barely worked in 2020… Let’s keep doing it even more! I’m sure that will end the political divide of this country.
I know that calling all of them them stupid, racist and sexist makes it super easy to avoid having any actual dialogue with them, but it sure as shit isn’t going to help help Democrats or progressives gain any ground in the long run.
And before anyone responds with “well we can’t/won’t have dialogue with fascists” I will preemptively tell you that you are completely missing my point.
Simply because YOU labeled all of them as fascists or you were told by someone else that they were that way doesn’t mean it’s actually true.
You can’t expect to defeat an enemy if you don’t understand them or evaluate them correctly.
Pretty concerning that you think that the OP is accurately representing reality.
Also your analogy doesn’t really work the way you were hoping because rain isn’t pure water. It’s actually got a bunch of other things mixed in there too.
Kinda like how not everyone that exists to the right of your particular position is a racist/sexist idiot. I’m sure plenty of them are, but to say that they all are is disingenuous and you know it.
You’re right, of course. They’re not ALL stupid racists. Much like rain also contains miniscule portions of debris which the water forms droplets around, MAGA also contains a core component of incredibly evil people, and a few run-of-the-mill racists of average intelligence.
There’s a good reason Trump has won an election twice, and it’s because the people he’s running against are incapable of the type of introspection you just described. Their supporters, even less so.
That may be part of the reason but it’s minor compared to the real deal. It’s funny you and the FPSbetter person are lecturing and blaming leftists when conservatives have been hate fueled and driven by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson for a long time.
Why aren’t you lecturing them? Why aren’t you asking them to “play nice?” Why are you, essentially, fucking victim blaming? All while on a high horse of “just listen to them! Stop posting memes that make fun of them! This is why they don’t vote for us” It’s fucking not homie. They hate “illegals.” They were chasing and fucking up black people until very fucking recently. A few years ago, they marched and said “Jews will not replace us.” Until Reddit banned them, they had extremely fucking racist subreddits.
Go out and try talking to them. Have you? Really, have you? Have you talked to a real fucking MAGA supporter? Not just a gen z white kid but a real fucking MAGA loving conservative?
Because I have. With plenty. And it’s fucking exhausting. Have you heard the Sartre quote about antisemites? That’s what we’re dealing with: bad faith trolls fueled by hate who have no interest in true discourse.
Are they all like this? Of course not. rAiN iS not PuRe WaTeR. Jfc. But is this the larger guiding force we’re dealing with? Fucking yes it is.
If you’re trying to read, I’ll give you a hint: start from the top. Otherwise, you can just not engage further and move on. It’s pretty simple. No need to get worked up by a long reply you didn’t even read.
Maybe start by reading it. It’s not a “wall of text”. It’s a few short paragraphs. You just want any excuses to dismiss a different point of view.
I think you’re a sea-lion troll, possibly one who’s paid in rubles ! Regardless, you’re absolutely a jerk !
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings
Nah. I think they cheated. Made it harder for people to postal vote. Intimidated people at polling places. Gerrymandered. Musk bought votes. Probably Musk cheated in other ways, since according to Drumpf he’s “really good at computers”…
Hmmmm let’s see… Calling them all racist/sexist and stupid didn’t work in 2016 or in 2024… It barely worked in 2020… Let’s keep doing it even more! I’m sure that will end the political divide of this country.
I know that calling all of them them stupid, racist and sexist makes it super easy to avoid having any actual dialogue with them, but it sure as shit isn’t going to help help Democrats or progressives gain any ground in the long run.
And before anyone responds with “well we can’t/won’t have dialogue with fascists” I will preemptively tell you that you are completely missing my point.
Simply because YOU labeled all of them as fascists or you were told by someone else that they were that way doesn’t mean it’s actually true.
You can’t expect to defeat an enemy if you don’t understand them or evaluate them correctly.
Sorry you’re butthurt by OP pointing out reality. Do you also flip out when someone points out that rain is made up of water?
Pretty concerning that you think that the OP is accurately representing reality.
Also your analogy doesn’t really work the way you were hoping because rain isn’t pure water. It’s actually got a bunch of other things mixed in there too.
Kinda like how not everyone that exists to the right of your particular position is a racist/sexist idiot. I’m sure plenty of them are, but to say that they all are is disingenuous and you know it.
You’re right, of course. They’re not ALL stupid racists. Much like rain also contains miniscule portions of debris which the water forms droplets around, MAGA also contains a core component of incredibly evil people, and a few run-of-the-mill racists of average intelligence.
A+ for turning the analogy back around to suit your needs. I suspected you would do precisely that.
Unfortunately you’re still clearly entirely missing the point of my original comment.
When you lose 2028 and 2032 dont come crying to me.
Why on earth would I ever want to talk to you again?
Jimi Hendrix: castles made of sand fall into the sea eventually
MoreFPSmorebetter: the sand has to be a bit wet to hold up form so it’s ackshually castles made of sand and water; this analogy doesn’t work
There’s a good reason Trump has won an election twice, and it’s because the people he’s running against are incapable of the type of introspection you just described. Their supporters, even less so.
That may be part of the reason but it’s minor compared to the real deal. It’s funny you and the FPSbetter person are lecturing and blaming leftists when conservatives have been hate fueled and driven by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson for a long time.
Why aren’t you lecturing them? Why aren’t you asking them to “play nice?” Why are you, essentially, fucking victim blaming? All while on a high horse of “just listen to them! Stop posting memes that make fun of them! This is why they don’t vote for us” It’s fucking not homie. They hate “illegals.” They were chasing and fucking up black people until very fucking recently. A few years ago, they marched and said “Jews will not replace us.” Until Reddit banned them, they had extremely fucking racist subreddits.
Go out and try talking to them. Have you? Really, have you? Have you talked to a real fucking MAGA supporter? Not just a gen z white kid but a real fucking MAGA loving conservative?
Because I have. With plenty. And it’s fucking exhausting. Have you heard the Sartre quote about antisemites? That’s what we’re dealing with: bad faith trolls fueled by hate who have no interest in true discourse.
Are they all like this? Of course not. rAiN iS not PuRe WaTeR. Jfc. But is this the larger guiding force we’re dealing with? Fucking yes it is.
Good grief.
What’s the problem, exactly?
That fucking text wall of a reply, I don’t even know where to start.
If you’re trying to read, I’ll give you a hint: start from the top. Otherwise, you can just not engage further and move on. It’s pretty simple. No need to get worked up by a long reply you didn’t even read.
I’m the one getting worked up?
Fuck. That was 14 hours ago. It’s not like we left an interesting conversation on hold lmao. Let it go buddy. Go find another place to agitate.
Maybe start by reading it. It’s not a “wall of text”. It’s a few short paragraphs. You just want any excuses to dismiss a different point of view. I think you’re a sea-lion troll, possibly one who’s paid in rubles ! Regardless, you’re absolutely a jerk !
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings
Oh, I did read it. I’m just not entirely sure what to make of it.
It’s not leftists that they’re trying to lecture.
Nah. I think they cheated. Made it harder for people to postal vote. Intimidated people at polling places. Gerrymandered. Musk bought votes. Probably Musk cheated in other ways, since according to Drumpf he’s “really good at computers”…
Oh, I have no doubt there were some dirty tricks. But from what I saw, he also had a lot of legitimate support.
I don’t disagree.