They have seen a meteoric rise in recent years. Their sister/front organisations like ANSWER, Codepink, People’s Forum, BTnews have all become household names. When I look at protests in the U.S., it seems so many of them are organised directly, or indirectly, by them. In comparison, organisations like the CPUSA or the DSA are lacking behind.
How and why?
Short Answer: Marxism-Leninism
Long Answer:
Extreme endurance on the part of the organizers, who began at a time when the US was in even more of a counterrevolutionary period and things would have reasonably seemed hopeless for socialist organizers.
In addition, being mild in manner but radical in material, and instead of being abrasive and ultra-left in ways that alienate people, instead focusing on being approachable while bringing in radical politics.
Finally, the movement for Palestine in the US has been in huge parts brought forward by them and allied groups. By advocating for Palestine for decades in what was originally an unpopular position, being consistent in their support for Palestine for decades meant that they were well equipped to help rise and be risen by the movements for Palestine in the U.S.
Also it should be mentioned that the party’s active practice of Democratic centralism gives them the ability to engage with these things on a national scale. While I have much love for many of the DSA Members I know, the DSA suffers from it’s association with Bernie Sanders and the liberal party who do not reciprocate this support; and it’s a very decentralized organization which means that many branches do not work together or follow national’s lead the same way that PSL branches do.
PSL’s consistency is something I really admire about them. I’m not a full member and probably wouldn’t make it since I’m too lazy and theoretically weird, but I’m seriously impressed with how they remain very steadfast. They don’t mince words. They say China is socialist, America is a racist empire, Israel is committing genocide. It’s refreshing. They don’t stray from that.
The moment that JD asked Z-man if he was sorry, PSL was posting about how the Ukraine war was started by NATO. Even if that’s a tough pill for people to swallow, those holding the correct position will be vindicated in the long run. I’m on the verge of joining PSL (not sure if I will as I’m kinda scared of being black bagged to CECOT) and their principled stances, even when controversial for most, are very admirable.
I will always show up to their events. If any group has a chance at raising class consciousness and mobilizing workers in USA its them
PSL was posting about how the Ukraine war was started by NATO
We literally called him a dog of the empire in that post lol
not sure if I will as I’m kinda scared of being black bagged to CECOT
All due respect, for party members, our strength lies in our party membership and unity. There were so many BLM figures killed after Ferguson in 2014, likely by elements of the US Gov’t, but nobody was able to seriously stand up for them at the time. Now, we aren’t touchable by the state, because if any direct party members were to be kidnapped like Mahmoud it’d only strengthen our movement and the entire party would work to defend us. Ironically, the best defense against this fate is being a party member in my mind
Yeah ik, I’m still in the process of joining but late at night sometimes doom and get scared. But I also know that what you say is true.
And, if they are going to be black bagging random idiots like me, I’m already screwed for posting here and for liking/sharing pro Palestine stuff and PSL stuff on Instagram.
In addition, being mild in manner but radical in material, and instead of being abrasive and ultra-left in ways that alienate people, instead focusing on being approachable while bringing in radical politics.
Yeah this meant they avoided the stereotypical fate of prior Marxists orgs where there was constant splintering and bickering and they’d end up with orgs that had a few dozen members and all they did was rant about how the group they splintered off of were revisionist class traitors.
The explanations in here are correct, but another very important one that hasnt come up is the candidacy program. After a fairly lengthy onboarding process, members are brought in on a provisional status called “candidacy”. That lasts about a year and is a focused period of training on Marxism, history, political analysis, rhetoric, and a ton of practical organizing skills. That includes a nine-month biweekly class deep diving into subjects like the USSR, national liberation, the PRC, and the history of revolutionary movements in the US. By the time someone finishes candidacy, they should be a well trained and educated revolutionary committed to our political line.
Didn’t realize this program existed or that it went so in-depth, that’s really cool and makes all the sense in the world.
I’ve attributed their success to three things. They aggressively weed out any potential cops or feds. I’ve never seen any organization take it this seriously. If they even catch a whiff of cop on you, then you’re out.
The second part of it is probably money. Party dues are very high compared to other orgs, so they have a bunch of money to work with.
Third is how willing they are to work with other groups. I know PSL and Marxist orgs in general have a reputation for being rigid and controlling, but that hasn’t been my impression at all. Branches are frequently in coalition with other local groups, like my local PSL coordinates with Mexico’s MORENA and several indigenous/latino groups.
PSL coordinates with MORENA??? This is the first time I’ve heard that, extremely based
Yeah, at least the ones around where I live do that. I live in a very Latino large city.
PSL branches have a bunch of local autonomy and I’m not totally sure how they agree on who to coordinate with, but they do talk and plan stuff with other groups. Like one PSL member I used to know around here was also a Brown Beret (Chicano movement) and another was some kind of student group leader
Oh I’m sure there was brown beret integration where I tried to join, San Diego, I just didn’t know they were international. Insanely based though
PSL send a delegation to a Pan-Africanist conference in Niger. They definitely have international connections.
They aggressively were out any potential cops or feds. I’ve never seen any organization take it this seriously. If they even catch a whiff of cop on you, then you’re out.
I would be quite interested in how they approach this, but I understand that some of it may be well guarded information. I think British orgs in particular have a very rough time with it. We have evidence of reading circles with as few as 4 members being infiltrated by full blown intel agency spies, let alone cops. The approach here seems to be to get in as early as possible so that they have early-bird trust.
Sorry I meant weed out cops/feds. My observation from the outside is they try to get to know the person well and put candidates through several layers of probation before letting them assume a leadership role. lots of reading and studying.
I’m not sure what else they do but it seems to work. Part of it might be an attitude thing. Like members always have it in mind to be cautious about cops that it makes cops wary about even trying.
We actively study COINTELPRO and other infiltration/repression tactics. And the way our decision making works and our meetings are structured means the “waste time on pointless arguments” tactic simply flounders and goes nowhere. If you derail our meetings with dumb arguments over the line, you’re out of the party. We got shit to do.
Even with high security culture, it is extremely likely PSL is infiltrated at some level. I’m not saying that to discourage people from joining PSL or so members stop participating, but that should always be kept in the back of our minds as a possibility with ML organizations in this country. We shouldn’t get too comfortably certain about having prevented infiltration. Even Stalin didn’t catch Khrushchev, if Furr is right. Be cautious, Comrade.
Oh yeah I’m sure there are fed informants or cops. But that infiltration hasn’t manifested into anything like arrests, splitting, leaks, or whatever typical stuff you’d expect. Yet.
Or at least, there’s nothing public that I know about. There used to be a group of “Maoists” around here who would show up to PSL events to rip down posters or confiscate signs. I assume they were cops. And I’m guessing a lot of branches have problems with informant troublemakers who try to derail projects or stir the pot.
We have evidence of reading circles with as few as 4 members being infiltrated by full blown intel agency spies, let alone cops.
What’s the evidence, or how was that found out? If you can say
Court cases with information about when the spies joined the groups. I don’t remember the exact case right now, I suspect it was an environmental org that spun off a small marxist reading group, one of the big cases had spies sleeping with and even having children with members of orgs.
I remember listening to an interview with a guy who was spied on in one of those groups, I forget which podcast though… Maybe TrueAnon or QAA?
It’s the work they put in. These days Palestinian solidarity is cool among the youth and left and protests are regular. But 10, 20, 30 years ago? Not as much. When something big happened in regards to that or any other big issue PSL and their sister/front group ANSWER were all over it organizing demonstrations. I’d see their people out there bringing signs and leading. Their members become known as people who get the organizing done among those who are active in the leftist ecosystem. Suddenly, ideological differences start to soften because they are the people actually out there making things happen.
Yup, basically just said the same thing. Other parties are seriously lagging behind in this respect.
Some people see that as rank opportunism.
Organizing for unpopular issues for decades until public consciousness catches up is the literal opposite of opportunism
Those people would be wrong
I would say “visibility/recognizability tactic” is a better way to describe it than “opportunism”. They’ve certainly been trying to make themselves a centerpiece, but usually on issues that aren’t the most popular at the time.
“actually supporting the things you believe in for decades is opportunism, you tool, you absolute stooge”
for the record the person behind the palestinian stuff for the longest time in my area is a woman who has visiting palestine/gaza a number of times and works directly with some of the mosques in the area. it’s not some quick and easy grab to get attention. she puts in the work. another is a jewish girl who stands up for human rights and against zionism. these people are amazing and work very very hard at what they do. i have deep respect for them and fully believe in their resolve to the causes they stand for.
Are they that big? I’m not sure if they’re household names yet, are they? I hear about them on spaces like this, but not in wider, more liberal spaces yet (like Reddit, YouTube, mainstream media).
EDIT: But accepting the premise of the post, I bet it’s democratic centralism. I think it’s one marked difference between them and DSA, which is bigger but as I understand it each chapter is a lot more independent.
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I don’t think Codepink is a PSL front. PSL have been around for a while, I’ve followed them since they first formed from their their split with WWP . They’ve just been very active and consistently Anti-Imperialist in their stand, the ANSWER coalition was all over the place during the Iraq War. They are definitely the best Communist org in the belly of the beast.
DSA basically got all their momentum from the Sanders campaigns, because they were the least threatening and easily digestible for new leftists that are just waking up from their Democratic Party delusions.
I don’t think Code Pink is a PSL group, either. I think it started as a pretty liberal antiwar group, but drifted in a more consistently anti-imperialist direction due to working closely with ANSWER for so long.
DSA basically got all their momentum from the Sanders campaigns, because they were the least threatening and easily digestible for new leftists
The biggest reason is Sanders called himself a democratic socialist repeatedly and those two words are in DSA’s name.
I think PSL’s winning ticket is neither the Presidential campaign nor the educational content. Other parties do those and aren’t nearly as large or popular.
I think what PSL does well theoretically and practically is address intersectional issues and decolonization, anti-racism, and so on, which are the order of the day. Most PSL people I see, and this may just be good propaganda, are non-White and this tells me that they are effectively reaching out to POC communities and comrades in ways others aren’t. Let me drop some older, experiential knowledge.
DSA, ISO, even anarchist circles, etc. have always had a White leadership and racism problem. Some organizations, like ISO (Trot, I know), would even dismiss the importance of racial, decolonial questions as “identity politics” that they didn’t get involved with. Many were and are class reductionists that only want to discuss the problems of the proletariat, which of course includes cishet White men as a default. This can feel not only dogmatic but incorrect to comrades or potential comrades who don’t have the luxury of keeping an issue in the abstract because they live it daily.
Rewind the clock 15 years ago, and, I’m sorry to say, no one really gave a fuck about Black people or decolonial struggles generally. No one even really cared about using slurs or making racist jokes or comments. Precious few cared to even carry it as a real issue, even among Left spaces as BLM was starting. Obama was seen as having resolved racism in the country, not a joke nor hyperbole on my part. It rubbed White men the wrong way to be on the other side of history and critique, which created a lot of problems in groups. Presumably, this is why Left spaces and organizations were maintained as predominantly White. It was a self-filtering, most POC didn’t want to stick around to deal with that bullshit, but there was also gatekeeping of people who were seen as problems for criticizing these issues and in particular criticizing certain leaders. You can still see this play out on Hexbear, by the way.
Now, everyone likes to say and think they’re allies. Parties and people want to pretend like that didn’t happen and they were always anti-racist, but that’s easy to say and hard to prove when there are still POC who were there and have not forgotten what happened not that long ago. You can see the same thing happen with the Democratic Party who rejected BLM when Trayvon Martin was murdered, Obama himself dismissed it, but now that BLM grew into this toothless iteration like to act like they are its champions. That shit might work on White people who want to believe they were always good, but it won’t work on POC with half a brain to remember. Another example, albeit different, is how DSA handled the question of Palestine—not 15 years ago but 15 months ago!!
It seems that PSL does not have a reductionist (read, “reactionary”) line. It has welcomed a lot of people who didn’t feel comfortable with that shit and, unsurprisingly, feel comfortable in spaces where they are accepted and anti-racism is put into practice in a radical way. I’m not entirely sure but it seems they were practicing this since the beginning and have good credit on this to make newer people coming in feel at ease. Further, younger people are growing up already understanding intersectional issues as important and necessary to address. They don’t have the same baggage from previous times. When they interact with a group like PSL, it feels like PSL has a line which matches the thought of the youth, which is critical. When younger poeple encounter other groups, it feels like walking into an irrelevant but well-preserved museum. I’m cishet but I would assume (hopefully correctly) that PSL carries intersectional thinking to its logical conclusion with regard to LGBTQ issues as well, which resonates well with the youth and those communities too. PSL rests in good theory on that front and I, personally, have a lot of respect for them in this aspect. I think that theory leads them to good practice which has led to a lot of support from these communities which previously had to stick to ‘identity’-based groups, for lack of a better term. This allows PSL to grow in ways other groups aren’t or are doing slowly.
I’m not a member of PSL, by the way, and have other critiques of them but this is good.
I used to be an anarchist, and helped organize and participate in protest to free Palestine since 2001-2002, organized against police murders of black men in my community since 2006 or so, and organized protests against the murders of Trayvon martin, Mike brown, etc before BLM became a huge movement after George floyd.
Just saying.
Then you should probably know what I’m talking about. I’m not saying there wasn’t anyone or any organizing around anti-racism at all.
My point is that it was much more the exception than the rule. It wasn’t a universal priority. Now everyone understands it as critical and necessary.
My guess is they generally don’t get involved with stupid infighting although I admit that’s just a guess based on almost nothing
The most severe infighting I’ve seen in PSL are cases involving harassment. It’s a symptom of leftists in the US being overrepresented with younger, disaffected people who might not have the best social skills. So in direct terms, there are a lot of creeps who get involved in leftist stuff to get closer to women.
I don’t remember which branches did this, but I remember accusations that some leadership members were sweeping away serious allegations of sexual harassment. I think a branch in Pennsylvania had a problem with a chaser? It’s been years since I’ve thought or heard about this, sorry
This is probably true because they are a strict demcent, cadre based organization. They want quality over quantity of membership
I think it’s premature to take a victory lap so soon. We shit on the CPUSA for being sheepdogs for the Democrats and rightfully so, but the CPUSA overall has faced more state repression in its entire history than the PSL. It’s through that state repression (on top of a not particularly good political line) that the CPUSA was reduced to a shadow of its former self worthy of mockery. That’s something to keep in mind.
I believe the PSL has undergone enough quantitative changes that it’s on the cusp of a qualitative change, and once that qualitative change happens, the bourgeois state will also change COIN tactics to accommodate that next qualitative stage. COIN texts point to the early moments of each new qualitative stage as weakness that the state apparatus can exploit to ultimately liquidate insurgents. It’s like how a moth is at its weakest and most vulnerable when it just emerges from its cocoon. The next test will be whether the PSL can pass the trial by fire after undergoing that qualitative change.
In addition to what’s already been said here, their presidential campaigns and their extremely strong media strategy have really set them apart from a lot of other orgs. People hate on the presidential campaigns but they really put the party out there in a way that nothing else does.
They have a solid organizational structure and have been able to survive the circumstances that tend to kill leftist orgs long enough that they’ve capitalized on the radicalizing conditions more than other orgs.
The PSL hasnt sprang out of nowhere. Well over a decade of hard work and learning is what has given it the moment it has now. I remember first learning about them when Bernie’s campaign was down the shitter in 2016 and people thought he’d have a spine and run as independent with La Riva.
They’re good at recruiting and training cadres with the goal of taking advantage of points of rupture as they emerge to engage in public protests. My observation has been PSL is better at having a visible presence at protest and contributing to them than any other lefty org in the US. That visibility I’m sure draws folks to them.
Revleft did an interview with one of their longtime cadre recently: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/psl
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They put on some many events in my city including stuff like film screenings, crochet nights, salsa dancing lessons, open mics. Most of these are usually accompanied with some type of labor or history lesson. They are just a really approachable group here and are constantly engaging the community. That kind of stuff really draws people in (including people who aren’t really super interested in politics)