It’s just a common religious tactic. When they do bad things, they get angry at anyone who tried to call them out on it. Even if it’s their own people, and they aren’t doing it on purpose. Is the hate being supported by their religion? Yes? Then it’s religious hate, and needs to be stopped.
Does it matter if it’s one religion? Nope, they all do this shit. Radical christians, radical hindu, radical buddhists, etc… Call them out on their bullshit and hate, and you’re the bigot. Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.
It’s not really the religion though, basically all religions come with a set of believes in what is wrong and right and the hate-spewing war criminals will say it has to do with their religion, but they do not follow the believes set out by their religion. They are only using religion as a tool to gain power over the people that do follow the believes of that religion.
You’re right, of course. The real problem, as you pointed out, is religious states.
See also: the way the US has become increasingly brazen about its atrocities as the Evangelicals have sunk their tentacles deeper and deeper into our political system.
On the other hand, there have been Jewish states before modern Israel, and it always ended in tears. Maybe believing that you’re God’s chosen people inevitably causes you to act with an arrogance and belief in your own invincibilty that eventually causes your country to be destroyed. If you believe God literally wants you to have a piece of dirt, why practice good diplomacy and have good relations with your neighbors? Your only concern is keeping God happy. In the Old Testament, the Israelites suffered invasion only when they somehow let God down. With that as your cultural foundation, what does that do to your nation’s foreign policy?
Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think they’re God’s special chosen people was a terrible mistake.
what theocracies of any religion haven’t “ended in tears”?
Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think they’re God’s special chosen people was a terrible mistake.
I think you missed a word or two there.
I’d suggest the mistake was giving people a country which was already occupied by other people. Whatever myth gets used to justify it, be it god’s chosen people or manifest destiny.
This kind of shit is a carbon copy of how the Nazis used claims of people being “against the Aryan race” to deflect criticism of the actions of the Nazis.
I think this is religion being weaponized to support the extreme depravity of an ethno-Fascist ideology, rather than an inherent drive in that religion.
In other words, the problem with Religions is not them having an inherent tendency for this kind of thing, is that they are extremely easy to capture and use to support even the most depraved behaviours, being capable of excusing actions well beyond what most other prepackaged belief systems are able to successfully excuse.
In summary, I don’t think Religion is a driver of this kind of shit, I think it’s an enabler.
They’re Zionists, this is actually a core part of the end goals outlined in every Abrahamic religion, they are literally hoping to destroy all the non children of god and take over the world. We’re all just Canaanites to them if we’re not on their team.
I believe that in Judaism there is some traditions of interpretation which can justify the current situation. But it isn’t a religion based on obedience as much as discussion so it isn’t a matter of what is “said” as much as what is understood.
However much more relevant is the powerful and mainstream protestant Christian prophesies where the Rapture can be hastened by people taking certain steps, including having a jewish state in israel. (The jews, like most other people, will ultimately get horrifically exterminated during the Rapture, which is considered desirable to adherents.) Impatience for this Rapture is one of the reasons people and governments support Israel. American Christian groups provide way more funding and material support for Israel than jewish groups do.
Now, I am not going to disagree here because I don’t know a lot about it, but the only radical Buddhist I ever heard about was a dude who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnamese government oppressing Buddhists in the 60s and monks in China fighting against tyranical rulers that would have exterminated them. Have any radical Buddhists ever hurt others for not believing in their system of faith?
It’s just a common religious tactic. When they do bad things, they get angry at anyone who tried to call them out on it. Even if it’s their own people, and they aren’t doing it on purpose. Is the hate being supported by their religion? Yes? Then it’s religious hate, and needs to be stopped.
Does it matter if it’s one religion? Nope, they all do this shit. Radical christians, radical hindu, radical buddhists, etc… Call them out on their bullshit and hate, and you’re the bigot. Well, fuck religion and the hate they all spew.
It’s not really the religion though, basically all religions come with a set of believes in what is wrong and right and the hate-spewing war criminals will say it has to do with their religion, but they do not follow the believes set out by their religion. They are only using religion as a tool to gain power over the people that do follow the believes of that religion.
You’re right, of course. The real problem, as you pointed out, is religious states.
See also: the way the US has become increasingly brazen about its atrocities as the Evangelicals have sunk their tentacles deeper and deeper into our political system.
On the other hand, there have been Jewish states before modern Israel, and it always ended in tears. Maybe believing that you’re God’s chosen people inevitably causes you to act with an arrogance and belief in your own invincibilty that eventually causes your country to be destroyed. If you believe God literally wants you to have a piece of dirt, why practice good diplomacy and have good relations with your neighbors? Your only concern is keeping God happy. In the Old Testament, the Israelites suffered invasion only when they somehow let God down. With that as your cultural foundation, what does that do to your nation’s foreign policy?
Part of me really is starting to wonder if giving folks who think they’re God’s special chosen people was a terrible mistake.
what theocracies of any religion haven’t “ended in tears”?
I think you missed a word or two there.
I’d suggest the mistake was giving people a country which was already occupied by other people. Whatever myth gets used to justify it, be it god’s chosen people or manifest destiny.
“It’s not really the religion…”
Explains how it is, in fact, religion.
Imperialism, supermasism and ressource controls.
Perhaps learn to read.
It’s people that are the problem. People with their shitty attitudes.
Religion is not the problem.
Potato potato.
It’s really not.
I disagree.
I respect that. It saddens me though.
The atrocities committed by people under the flag of every religion there is saddens me, though.
This kind of shit is a carbon copy of how the Nazis used claims of people being “against the Aryan race” to deflect criticism of the actions of the Nazis.
I think this is religion being weaponized to support the extreme depravity of an ethno-Fascist ideology, rather than an inherent drive in that religion.
In other words, the problem with Religions is not them having an inherent tendency for this kind of thing, is that they are extremely easy to capture and use to support even the most depraved behaviours, being capable of excusing actions well beyond what most other prepackaged belief systems are able to successfully excuse.
In summary, I don’t think Religion is a driver of this kind of shit, I think it’s an enabler.
I’m not an expert in their religion but I doubt their religion says that committing genocide and all kinds of war crime atrocities is a good thing.
They’re Zionists, this is actually a core part of the end goals outlined in every Abrahamic religion, they are literally hoping to destroy all the non children of god and take over the world. We’re all just Canaanites to them if we’re not on their team.
I believe that in Judaism there is some traditions of interpretation which can justify the current situation. But it isn’t a religion based on obedience as much as discussion so it isn’t a matter of what is “said” as much as what is understood.
However much more relevant is the powerful and mainstream protestant Christian prophesies where the Rapture can be hastened by people taking certain steps, including having a jewish state in israel. (The jews, like most other people, will ultimately get horrifically exterminated during the Rapture, which is considered desirable to adherents.) Impatience for this Rapture is one of the reasons people and governments support Israel. American Christian groups provide way more funding and material support for Israel than jewish groups do.
Now, I am not going to disagree here because I don’t know a lot about it, but the only radical Buddhist I ever heard about was a dude who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnamese government oppressing Buddhists in the 60s and monks in China fighting against tyranical rulers that would have exterminated them. Have any radical Buddhists ever hurt others for not believing in their system of faith?
They just have good PR
https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article-abstract/49/4/119/130813/Monks-Behaving-Badly-Explaining-Buddhist-Violence?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Look into the ongoing Rohingya genocide.
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